Bootcamp Glacier v{I guess I should start numbering these}.0

bblum 4783

Don't play Orion.

12 comments
22 Mar 2015 Pinkwarrior

Orion's great i find so long as you can move the counters and don't use OAI to res it.

23 Mar 2015 Zdravovich

Maybe Orion over Wormhole? So good vs knight, switchblade and other stuff.

24 Mar 2015 Thike

Why have you moved away from Orion? It's situational, sure, but that 4th OAI target is nice, and it's often taxing. My build has ended up similar to your last one, but with Nebula as my only Sentry instead of Cadu.

24 Mar 2015 bblum

Switchblade is the main reason. True it's an extra combo piece for OAI, but to safely pick it up you basically need to get it early enough that you can gear check the runner with another ice in front of it. Otherwise a stealth andy player can just go "switchblade, ghost runner, you lose 15 cred". That inconsistency more than cancels out the added consistency of the 4th expensive ice.

On the other hand wormhole turns out to be really good for taxing refractor, which is much harder to find stealth credits for. In the stealth andy matchup I try to go for a late game of 4 code gate stealth required to get into the remote.

24 Mar 2015 bblum

Also, I would never ever ever cut caduceus. Don't think about nebula's "upside" of trashing programs; the subroutine never actually resolves against good runners. Think about what it costs you ($3 vs $9), what it costs them (exactly the same with switchblade, or a sharpshooter for shaper). Not to mention easy it is to rez on turn 1. It's glacier, not supermodernism.

24 Mar 2015 Thike

Do you not usually protect your OAIs? I've found that most people are packing a few tricks to deny an OAId Curtain Wall, so I end up putting a Datapike in front regardless.

As far as sentries go, given that everyone is using Mimic I'd rather tax out their Faerie/Sharpshooter/D4V1D recursion. If there were more variety in killers I'd go back to Cadu.

One last question, have you tried running Cerebral Static? The current field makes it very tempting.

24 Mar 2015 Zdravovich

Well, mb Orion is not great target for OAI vs stealth andy, but it is soo good vs Shapers. And it is not a Destroyer, so no Sharpshooter stuff. Still Orion is great at eating away stealth creds, especially ghost runners.

24 Mar 2015 bblum

@Thike If nobody is playing switchblade in your meta, then nebula can be good. But I would play it instead of the wormhole, not instead of cadu, since the gear check is still important, not to mention the painful turn 1 facecheck (especially against 0-link runners, max and leela -- otherwise very bad matchups!). It's not like people stop playing architect because mimic is around.

I will try to protect, or not protect, my OAIs depending on the game state. It's really a judgement call based on the turn count and the runner's board.

@Zdravovich I think it's bad against shapers too. Not being sharpshootable is a small saving grace, but the multiple subtypes lets them choose whichever option is most convenient/cheap (cyber-cypher in hand? lady already installed?).

24 Mar 2015 Zdravovich

@bblum It is still take 7 creds for cyber-cypher and 5 creds and a half of a dog for lady to break orion.

24 Mar 2015 bblum

Not denying that's a good tax, just that I don't think it's worth the full 15 credits to rez outside of the OAI discussion. Also, in the prepaid kate matchup, being able to force particular breakers (or scavenges) is a big deal, especially with crisium. The main way I win this matchup is by forcing them to spend a lot of scavenges on cy-cy in the early game by bouncing datapike around, so they have less recursion available for refilling lady to get into R&D repeatedly (once to kill crisium, once more for makers eye).

31 Mar 2015 apo

Hey Ben, would 2x Predictive Algorithm be worth fitting in this deck? What do you think?

31 Mar 2015 bblum

I'm not seeing the appeal of that card. For me it reads, "The runner loses $2... later... if they want." And the influence here is already stretched to its limit.