10 Pounds of Jank in a 5 Pound Bag

So silly question, can you wormhole the TL;DR and have it double the double? First TL;DR on Harvester means 4 subs, would wormhole up that to 6 or 8?

@killj0y- that's the way I understand it (8)... I haven't looked for any FAQ on the matter. Assuming they don't jack out, and don't break any subs, if they hit a Wormhole/TL;DR/Harvester, the Wormhole doubles the TL;DR, the first TL;DR sub turns Harvester into a quad-sub and the second TL;DR sub doubles it into an eight-sub, so they're drawing 24 cards.

So why no Whirlpool Maybe we can up this to a 15lb bag.

lol. I had it in originally (particularly why I was trying to make the Jinteki versions of this), but it's never going to fit influence-wise. The only way I could be sure that they're going to run through the Harvesters was to Off-Grid a FA-tool and/or scoring remote and stack everything on HQ, so they have to get down to the HQ root.

edit: At some point it's more important to remove stuff from their Heap so it's out of the game than it is to make them over-draw... whether they're drawing 30 cards on a run or not, if they've got a Levy and get all their decoders back it's just another Off-the-Grid you've got to find and install to make them do it again.

@MTUCache Bah, drop the two global foods for a Government Takeover. It'll lower your agenda density and give you back the 2 influence. You've got the atlas and future now tutors to pull it once you have your off the grid set up. Just "accidentally" flash it to the runner, install into your off-grid, and force the run on your HQ and put them through your millstone.

@MTUCache Here is one problem as I see it. Once the combo gets rolling if the runner has a Levy in their deck you just handed it to them. Say runner sees the setup, falls for the trap and gets rolled for their entire deck. They still have 5 cards in hand because you're not doing any damage on the cycle and they had the choice to pare it down to just the 5 they need to recover. Click 2, install levy, pop levy, click 4 run the off the grid server, steal agenda, win game. Even if what you have in that scoring remote is a neural katana they're still sitting on 1 card and a freshly cycled deck and now you need to go fetch a new grid to keep your remote safe and your R&D is wide open. Without the influence to load a Ibrahim Salem or Salem's Hospitality you can't get into their hand to pull it out and you can't score the chronos project until after they've already had a chance to pop levy.

No doubt. I don't think there's ever a way to avoid the first Levy, since I'm drawing it for them. The real problem I'm imagining (against Shapers, for the most part), is what happens after I've decked them without the Levy. As long as they've still got a fracter and a decoder (and can click for a dozen or so credits), they can now ignore every Code Gate on the board. While I'm getting all of this set up, advancing Underway and such, I've still got to do more than threaten a FA, I've got to be able to actually score out if it comes down to them still a way to play without their stack.

@MTUCache I assumed that since this was a mill deck once you had the majority of their cards in the heap you roll a power shutdown to kill the last of their functional rig and then it's shake hands GG.

100%, that's one way it could go, but if they've got the tools in their deck (and I'm drawing all of them for them), they're probably going to have more recursion than I'm going to have Shutdowns.

Anyway... I'm sure there's a lot of tweaking to be done in order to actually get to a win-condition. I put this together mainly because I wanted to find a way to force the runner through a big Harvester mill. I attempted to import all of these pieces into several different corps and IDs, but this one looked the most promising since Weyland has ways to copy subs, has Underway for extra mill, and Blue Sun has the most functional way to re-arrange ice and make money at the same time.

The Foundry/Twins version was probably better for the surprise-factor, but it didn't have any way of forcing them to do it more than once. Once I saw Off-the-Grid and knew I could stack all this on HQ, I knew green was the color for this baby. :p

I'm still sticking with Jinteki for this since Palana foods has such synergy with the card draw. I've been working on something similar. Credit to you for helping with my thinking. netrunnerdb.com

@MTUCache Great idea. I especially like the use of TL;DR.

Cheers, OneFabric