419 Spam!
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macydus2 68
Editing is terrible. There is a learning curve which isn't difficult but it takes a awhile especially with my original format aims.
Sorry, I think this deck is the best in 419 right now if not tuned perfect (just dont think someone has tuned yet, they will) and the best in just raw either side of table enjoyment from 419 its interactive heavily. It's a true GPI/Turtle obvious staple of 419 (For the record it's not Au Revoir and could random opps plz stop treating it as such, single disappointment of my jnet testing was that frankly stupid perception.) Econ package in a nutshell because haven't solved formatting to make it good (going card by card explaining)... is counter intuitive on first glance but gives early aggressive game, still fixes early econ you need regardless to set your engine but provides later game benefits to your engine that work as opposed to unnecessary late game econ.
It also balances your asset spam/ice light mu's with the likes of Mining accident which alone deserves its own nicely formatted explanation but alas im not language savy and learning a language to post a deck however simple is still work for someone uninitiated (think a lot of netrunners forget the fact the game attracts them doesn't mean everyone is already that way informed/inclined.)
Perfecting will change the deck but this gives you early econ in the form of ice light punishing econ that works early universally. It combo's with the derez as well late game. Way better than daily cast/lib/whatever works in the early game for set up (whilst not running) then leaves you with an excessively rich end game. This build has synergy (that most might miss) and early econ and x% winrate on lesser ice builds. It works.
Wanted to do a proper write up (i am time light) but I don't know how yet and I just wanted to post the deck. Hoping people will read between the lines but I am particularly proud of this run based econ combined with credit denial... because it has depth and it makes a good deck and again i'm sorry i couldnt card by card explain with gifs. Someone will probably change 5 cards max and make a T1 deck list with it. Diversion Of Funds when it drops does not count in the 5 btw.
Just wanted to share the econ package, it just works like and is why im publishing it and why i'm proud probably drop 2 sure gamble and something not sure for diversion of funds when it drops and it becomes even stronger (crazily.)
Didn't even touch on why 3x infiltration is important (you need to know the ice at all time to take advantage because of your econ package becomes more true in the future too and if you do it doesnt matter if they hide or not.) Sorry for the terrible/slightly repetitive write up hope people see the deck for the deck though not the write up.
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28 Apr 2018
macydus2
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28 Apr 2018
macydus2
Should add if you draw bad in early econ you draw your engine which is only bad against pure asset spam. |
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29 Apr 2018
gilesdavis
Hey 'Econ package in a nutshell because haven't solved formatting to make it good (going card by card explaining)... is counter intuitive on first glance but gives early aggressive game, still fixes early econ ' Is it just Sure Gamble Falsified Credentials High-Stakes Job Dirty Laundry and Zamba / Expose? Love the econ denial stategy here though <3 |
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29 Apr 2018
gilesdavis
Another thought, -3 Security Testing, and +3 Data Folding, as you have 2 free MU? Sweet 3c drip econ? |
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2 May 2018
macydus2
Hey ``@gilesdavis`, yeah I was stupidly drunk when I did the write up. It was not clever. I tried various forms of econ, the main problem was that whilst you need early econ it becomes overkill later with thr Zamba/GPI Net Tap engine whilst have no real synergy with it either. It was also more resource dominated giving weakness to scarcity/azmari(to an extent). Finally those econ forms are not really the most effective at dealing with/punishing ice light or cheap ice strats which derez decks obviously don't like. Most normal forms of econ also encouraged a sit back and build early strategy which is A.) Not that fun B.) Counter to the econ denial side of the deck, you want the corp under pressure. C.) Counter to Aumaku's strength. Cue the more old school econ style. So in regards to Data Folding it falls foul of being most useful the longer the game goes on when it is least useful (Would like to make use of the MU though 1x Sneakdoor Beta, Takobi or Nyashia spring to mind but slots/inf so needs testing.) In regards of Security Testing this card gives you great early econ. It also forces the corp to be more proactive in protecting centrals/rezzing ice to prevent that econ especially hq until Diversion of Funds drops (which also likes this decks overall style a lot.) It then ties in with overall derez plans later by opening up interesting derez lines that don't open windows for your opponent. Likewise Patron, Dirty Laundry, High-Stakes Job and Mining Accident all have these similar considerations/traits and also all combo with each other effectively making a wide vareity of lines way more effective. The run based econ in particular is so valuable in relation to the main engine. The Infiltration include is good because it ensures better ice knowledge which is 100% necessary to keep up the pressure as well as being a combo with Zamba and Aumakua. The main point is this package really force the style that seems most (currently) effective in 419. Once DOF drops it will be a real beast too (drop 2 sure gamble and something else I think.) Certainly I don't think it is anywhere near finely tuned though, I don't have the skills or the play test partners to do that. RND multi-access?, Femme/Mongoose vs Flashbang?, 1x Special order?, Drop Patron?, Dean Lister? 1x legwork? 1 more turning wheel? etc. but the overall strategy seems sound. Given my distinctly average piloting abilities my results have been very promising in both casual and the competitive rooms on jnet. Concerns around Jinteki abide specifically with both Psychic Field and Reverse Infection being great bullets to this deck. Still your ability to create money/Caldera/No One Home ease that and has proven the case in testing. Would expect to see more of those two cards if this type of deck becomes popular though. |
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2 May 2018
macydus2
Hey I tried various forms of econ, the main problem was that whilst you need early econ it becomes overkill later with the Zamba/GPI Net Tap engine whilst having no real synergy with it. It was more resource dominated giving it weakness vs Scarcity of Resources/Azmari EdTech: Shaping the Future(to an extent). Finally those econ forms are not really the most effective at dealing with/punishing ice light or cheap ice strats which derez decks obviously don't like. Most normal forms of econ also encouraged a sit back and build early strategy which is A.) Not that fun B.) Counter to the econ denial side of the deck, you want the corp under pressure. C.) Counter to Aumakua's strength. Cue the more old school econ style. So in regards to Data Folding it falls foul of being most useful the longer the game goes on when it is least useful (Would like to make use of the MU though 1x Sneakdoor Beta, Takobi or Nyashia spring to mind but slots/inf so needs testing.) In regards of Security Testing this card gives you great early econ. It also forces the corp to be more proactive in protecting centrals/rezzing ice to prevent that econ especially hq until Diversion of Funds drops (which also likes this decks overall style a lot.) It then ties in with overall derez plans later by opening up interesting derez lines that don't open windows for your opponent. Likewise Patron, Dirty Laundry, High-Stakes Job and Mining Accident all have these similar considerations/traits and also all combo with each other effectively making a wide variety of lines way more effective. The run based econ in particular is so valuable in relation to the main engine. The Infiltration include is good because it ensures better ice knowledge which is 100% necessary to keep up the pressure as well as being a combo with Zamba and Aumakua. The main point is this package really forces the style that seems most (currently) effective in 419. Once Diversion of Funds drops it will be a real beast too (drop 2 sure gamble and something else I think.) Certainly I don't think it is anywhere near finely tuned though, I don't have the skills or the play test partners to do that. RND multi-access?, Femme Fatale/Mongoose vs Flashbang?, 1x Special Order?, Drop Patron?, Dean Lister? 1x Legwork? 1 more The Turning Wheel?, Film Critic? Drop some or all Deuces Wild? etc. but the overall strategy seems sound. Given my distinctly average piloting abilities my results have been very promising in both casual and the competitive rooms on jnet. Concerns around Jinteki abide specifically with both Psychic Field and Reverse Infection being great bullets to this deck. Still your ability to create money/Caldera/No One Home ease that and has proven the case in testing. Still would expect to see more of those two cards if this type of deck becomes popular though and haven't had enough dedicated testing anyway. |
Tyson is Zamba 3, Rubicon 2, and GPI 4 and if you see it earlier it becomes everything if your rich. Single best inf in the deck. The worst might be a patron (you could drop one deuces wild and patron and add two diesel not sure that is better overall in mu's but its an option.)