Untrashable v4

I like the changes. I am still playing a version of this but I am going with 3x Ice Wall instead of the Shadows and with Trick of Light, having dropped the Closed Accounts. I have not gotten true colors yet so don't have any feedback on those cards, though I think you are spot on with your use of Shock!

I like the changes. I am still playing a version of this but I am going with 3x Ice Wall instead of the Shadows and with Trick of Light, having dropped the Closed Accounts. I have not gotten true colors yet so don't have any feedback on those cards, though I think you are spot on with your use of Shock!

Have you played against any Criminal Tag-Me decks with it? How do you cope against constant siphons and R&D pressure?

db0, have you gotten much mileage out of your Ronin in this deck?

Yes. I've both flatlined runners who didn't expect it, as well as baited them to waste money. It's a good when the runner doesn't know for sure that anything advancing is an agenda.

I have a lot of fun with this deck, which makes you very wealthy, but it seems to have a lot of trouble stopping runners on remotes with an agenda. If the runner hits HQ or R&D and hits a shock/fetal/hokusai/snare it cripples them enough that I can get an agenda through, but if they turtle Tsurgi and wall of thorns aren't enough to stop a well funded runner in my opinion. How do you handle this?

Your economy is usually faster than the runner. If they let it live, you should be able to start scoring agendas sooner than their rig. Then simply start pushing agenda after agenda on your remote, protected by Ash and Hokusai. If tyhey have to pay 8-9 just to see an Ash and run again, you should be able to score the next agenda.

So keep recurring ASH with interns and Jackson which is even better if you get those encryption protocols out early? I also see value as has been suggested earlier in getting ice wall instead of shadow. If a runner goes Tag-me then shadow just gives money, which isn't a deterrent on R&D lock.

Still, I love the deck and many other decks you've made. Thanks.

I was fucking around with chairman hiro just now and I realized how sick he'd be in this deck as a 1 of. particularly if you got good at scoring ronins. a 9 to trash asset that reduces your opponent to nearly ronin-insta death levels is a fun concept. If you could mix in some brain damage, 1 is all it takes to make ronin a 1 shot. God the future looks bright for jinteki :P

if the runner goes tag-me against shadow, then it means that they can't as easily get you poor by simply siphoning you through it and then trashing your assets. But the best thing about shadow, that it's not an easy bounce, which this deck relies on.

You don't seem to have a lot of end the runs ICE, I feel the deck gets hurt with several account siphon runs. they can then pick at your R&D. I suppose that depends if you have a Sundew out and your getting creds back from those runs.

I would swap the Encription Prot with Ice walls or even paper walls so you can fit in pop-up windows for more economy.

I don't like Chimera, depends on your meta, lots of Reinas at least for me, so I'd find another ICE to replace that.

I like how Shock! protects your archives so you need less ICE to place there.

Check this video so see how I deal with Siphons. Generally an ICE wall is not effective at all at siphon stoppage while a chimera is perfect in the early game to protect your sundew. If I get a Sundew/Chimera combo at the start I'm ecstatic! Chimera can also cover your HQ if you're expecting siphons, and is not defeated by special order.

Encryption protocols are very good for this deck, because they make your ash/hokusai combos far more difficult to deal with, especially when you're rich. And with 2 of them down, most people give up trying to trash your econ, which accelerates your game a lot.

Your link doesnt work :(

In the early game your still gonna protect your Sundew right? it is a turn 2 play then? since turn 1 you will ICE HQ and R&D? You get a net of 0 creds they just run into a Chimera then just run your Remote to trash your Sundew I'm guessing.

nm got it to work your missing the :

here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OgVbKxXJTU

Chimeras usually go on Sundew, not on centrals naked, unless I'm strongly suspecting siphon shenanigans and it's the only ICE I have.

Great deck and your construction is always solid. I love how people suggest dropping cards like Encryption Protocol, when that card is fundamental to this deck (and in the deck title), but anyway. I have tried a Project Junebug over Ronin and it's worked as often as it doesn't, but I'll prob go back to Ronin. I play against a lot of Infiltration/Expose cards, so if they see Ronin, they will go after it and trash it, whereas PJ they will just shrug off. Thanks for the inspiration.

Hey, just played this at my local league and loved it. I changed out the ICE to be a bit more teethy using: 1x Wall of Thorns 3x Neural Katana 2x Tsurigi 3x Chimera 2x Himistu Bako 2x RSVP -1 Jackson Howard. -3 Shadow -2 Braintrust +2 Fetal AI

I freaking LOVED it. RSVP, Bako, and Chimera make the runner play all 3 breakers, while all my sentries do the real taxing. Meanwhile I wind up building up my scoring server (Chimera/WoT/Himistu) with Ash and Hokusai. It's a great deck that really messes with the meta of my area if I can survive the early game, which isn't hard in a trap laden Jinteki R&D.

Hm, only problem I can see is that your early game might be tougher than mine, since you're lacking the shadows. Katanas are expensive at the start and if the opponent grabs a mimic first thing, they're also suboptimal. Also -1 Jesus Howard!? Blasphemy! :)

I really like this deck and it has inspired me to focus on Jinteki as my first faction. I only currently have the core set, True Colors and Trace Amount, so I have come up with the following cheaper version until I get more cards. Any feedback is welcome =) http://netrunnerdb.com/en/decklist/2024/poor-man-s-untrashable-core-ta-tc-#

Howdy db, please see my response to your comments and check out my modified deck here. Thanks! http://netrunnerdb.com/en/decklist/1965/poor-man-s-untrashable-core-ta-mt-tc-

How do you protect your remotes behind a single Chimera against a Kit deck that starts off with an early Yog.0?

Assuming they somehow run a central without encountering any ice, that is.

I just put something in front of the Chimera. A Shadow is usually fine.

I'll be taking a heavily modded version into a Store Championship this Saturday ... wish me luck.

Been playing RP since i started with ANR and was using something using Encryptions and heavier ICE. Since changing to this I still cant quite give up my Heimdall/Ichi but it plays so much better than my efforts!

I struggled to make the Ronin work but GRNDL refinery seems like a nice econ booster potentially. Tried out Subliminal Messenging in place of PAD but its not reliable enough against an aggressive runner. Hokasai is a great card but it doesnt necessarily contribute to the high trash cost style of the deck, its more win more. Ideally I would want to squeeze a Rhuhr in but its very expensive influence wide.

How do you feel about the ice with regards to its late game stability? I cant make this deck go fast, I like my agendas in Archives or RND, never in hand or on board til I'm setup and often I can tax the runner hard enough on the way to my Agenda server.

Overall I think its brilliant and plays how I enjoy playing, thanks for sharing the deck.

Ronin is there to either force a late-game runner into wasting their money for no benefit, or to provide an opening for a scoring of an agenda. Very often I'll play it lightly protected, and if the runner just ignores it, I smack them for 3, then play Nisei and advance once.

Hokusais are excellent in this deck. They allow you to tax the runner without providing an opportunity to simply bypass them or parasite them. And when paired with Ash and 1-2 Encryption protocols, they are beyond annoying for the runner. It's really not win more. I'm very happy at the start of the game to pull a hokusai and plop it in R&D. It protects against indexing and keyhole shenaningans, for very little upfront cost.

My late game ICE is Tsurugi and Wall of Thorns. These two + Ash/Nisei are enough to tax the runner enough to allow me to push agendas through faster than they can run in repeatedly. Tsurugi is perfect since it costs them a minimum 3 to bounce off of it in a remote which is great for an extra tag for a remote server.

nobody likes their agendas in hand, but they're actually quite safe there most of the time, even with a puny shadow protecting them, as the runner does not want to make you rich just on the off chance that you're holding any.

Thanks for the feedback. I think it is my inexperience with the game thats making me think cards dont work rather than them not working!