[TWA] Crim control v:1.5

Another well thought out deck. Silhouette is one of my favorite runners and I really want her to work. Will give this a try. Seems very labor intensive as you commented but pretty neat if it works.

I was trying to figure out an Au Revoir build for Silhouette. I think I might get distracted with all the setting up that needs to be done, but I definitely want to playtest. Thanks for the post!

What does TWA stand for again?

The Winning Agenda podcast out of Australia

Peacock? really? I mean, I get not using passport and not having enough influence for Zu. I just hate Peacock so much. I'll give it a shot though

@DJINNandJUICE Haha yeah I feel you. The way I figure it Sucker, Yog.0 and Peacock form a more efficient package than Zu going into the long game. You really only need peacock for larger gate like Tollbooth or Wormhole or for servers with multiple code gates. It's kind of not that bad since most code gates dont have too many subs though.

@Shielsy Yeah it makes sense. Checking the cost charts over at Sneakdoor Zeta, it really aint that bad. Might cost you 10 creds in a game on a bad day. But you're running Super Opus, so you can handle that. Way to make a deck with Peacock that I want to play!

update: went 4-0 at Gmaes lab with this toady. Got my pop-up on

Thought about adding in a Sneakdoor so you can fire off your ID when they ice up HQ or when there is a caprice being a nuisance?

@Butters Your mu is super duper tight running 3x Au Revoir and a Snitch and breakers and viruses. It could be more doable if you ran Box-E as your console and switched to hardware for multi-access. Its a pretty good idea for the archetype but not really for this build.

Speaking of, going to try running this out of Andy and Leela next. Both seem pretty great.

I think a sneakdoor is a great idea. There are also some issues with getting in early (against maybe NEH and the like) where a sneakdoor would come in handy. In those faster paced games you tend not to play out the au revoirs anyway, The most flexible slot is probably the plascrete if you wanted to try something like that. I've been playing a 3rd inside job and a faerie over the 2 special orders lately as well, and theyve been doing well.

Do you think Symmetrical Visage has a place in the build over Mr. Li? I've always been a fan of Mr. Li, and having played this a few times, he makes a lot of sense. I really love Sec Testing R&D with Doppelganger and Medium on the table.

I think of symmetrical visage as more Like pad campaign and mr li as more like daily business show. While both clearly very good in slow decks, if you wanted to assemble a package like corporate trouble-shooter + Merlin or had lots of dead cards (like agendas) you'd prioritize the daily business show, and that's essentially what this deck is doing.

I think there's certainly a slow crim deck that wants to play symmetrical visage (and maybe Paige, with hostage). But I dot think au revoir would be any good there.

I think you need to defend your decision to play 'bad Andy' here. How valuable is the expose?

I would play Andy +1 snitch, +1 Doppelganger, +2 legwork, +1 special order. Also when your clicks are worth 3 credits, Mr Li is really expensive to run. I'd seriously consider -3 Mr Li, +3 Earthrise Hotel.

There could be a case for q-coherence chip as your MU solution to free up the inf from Cybersolutions. You have no transient programs and you have to be super careful of program trashing anyway.

Just listened to the Podcast. If you're finding that you always want Mr. Li early, it could be right to consider Express Delivery. It's a weak card, but it might be exactly the weak card you need since it helps you set up your econ engine and also helps you find your memory solutions before you get completely clogged up with programs. Another question that I see has already been address, but I need to ask again for emphasis: Why not just run Andy? Right off the bat she'll help you get set up much faster then Silhouette could hope to. If you make that change and add ED I think you could change the breaker suite as well. Just pack standard 3x Faeries, 1 x Gordian, 1x Passport, 1x Mimic, 1x Corroder. You'll need to jigger the influence, but right off the bat you cut Yog and Nerve Agent. Legwork does way more work than NA anyway and if money is not an issue in the long game, Gordian is less susceptible to random b.s. than Yog is. I think the other influence comes from cutting the Cybersolutions for an Akamatsu. So this deck is gonna be kinda slow, but it would have some early game still just by virtue of cheap, efficient breakers + Inside job and once it gets set up, that's some crazy inevitability. I'll post a list later.

Here's what I came up with:

Andromeda Dispossessed Ristie:

Event Event (19)

3x Account Siphon 3x Dirty Laundry 3x Express Delivery 2x Inside Job 2x Legwork 3x Special Order 3x Sure Gamble

Hardware Hardware (4)

1x Akamatsu Mem Chip • 2x Doppelgänger 1x Plascrete Carapace

Resource Resource (5)

2x Daily Casts 2x Mr. Li 1x Same Old Thing

Icebreaker Icebreaker (8)

1x Breach 1x Corroder •• 3x Faerie 1x Gordian Blade ••• 1x Mimic • 1x Passport

Program Program (9)

3x Au Revoir 1x Datasucker • 2x Djinn •••• 1x Medium ••• 2x Snitch

I think the deck has several innate, difficult to overcome problems (memory and actually drawing the econ engine, which is terrible with one AR, only passable with 2, and terrific with all 3). This version tries to overcome this as best as possible with 3 Express Delivery. You could cut one of the Special Orders for the 3rd Mr. Li, but seems like it might be a little over the the top. The deck might want to play Ninja over Mimic as much as I hate that card since it's very weak to program trashing. That means you could run 2 RDI over Medium which I think I would prefer, (without ICE destruction, virus clearing the Medium is potentially too effective against you) but then you start wondering why you're playing Djinn at that point. Well it's because you need a shit ton of memory. At that point, you might just cut the Data Sucker too from there, maybe put the Mimic back in so you don't have to rely on god awful ninja against low strength Sentries , Maybe Utopia shard. You have several options. So yeah, if you don't mind moving even further away from where you started I would try -1 Medium, -1 Datasucker, -1 Inside Job or Special Order, +2 RDI, and +1 Ninja

The biggest reason to play sihl over Andy is because you're so slow; as you spend time setting up a long, powerful economy, the corp also has opportunities to develop their remote. You have to be able to handle this. As the remote gets deeper the power of your au revoir economy weakens, as the threat of 3/2s forces you to go through over and over. The way I've chosen to solve this is with a combination of medium, nerve agent and sihl: as you proactively apply pressure to hq or R&D with siphons or accesses, you flush agendas from the top and from hand, as well as have the oppurtunity to see what's in the remote without having to run through it. If an exposed remote does demand an access, go back in there! But if it doesn't, and you end up spending 15-20 credits to see an Adonis or a marked accounts, you are going to open up scoring windows.

@Basoon I think express delivery is a great idea, and one I haven't thought of. Also, I have been a bit disappointed with nerve agent lately, so will be moving away from it. The influence will be a massive boon for sure.

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