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I posted this deck up on Reddit yesterday and it sparked some discussion, so I figured I would share here too! Here is the link to the discussion, and the introduction I wrote there.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Netrunner/comments/2zc4uf/grailicein_turtlepads/
"So, over the past few weeks I've been experimenting with Grail ice in NBN. I started off with an 'Arthur's World is Yours*' deck, which I quite enjoyed. It took me a few games to realise what the purpose of the Grail ice was in this context; you use it to force the runner into attacking before they have their rig set up, and then you can use the dangerous subs to hit their hand (with Merlin) or their rig (with Lancelot). Lots of players still throw down a Faerie and assume it will keep them safe from harm, Grail can punish that.
"Of course, if they take a step back and start to rig build, you've got a window to rush through a couple of early agendas!
"I think The Foundry often suffers as it's not quite set up to rush those agendas, not in the way that NBN is, and often once you see the Foundry you have a good idea they're running Grail and you start trying to find your breakers early. They can't capitalise on that slower runner start, and the late game stage arrives sooner.
"Once I came to this realisation about Grail ice, I decided to try it in a bunch more decks. I had previously been running an NEH Turtlebacks deck, broadly inspired by one on BGG from gumOnShoe . It took me to second before the cut in our ~30 player Store Champ and then to 5th in the cut, going 5 wins out of 7 games (including one very close call!). It is a great deck, and is the deck that will make your meta go from 'Turtlebacks? What does that do? Oh... Why not just use PAD?' to 'Man, fuck Turtlebacks, kill it now'.
"Most of the issues with the deck come from early RnD agenda leaks. Sometimes I plug the hole quick enough, sometimes I drop a couple of Astros off the top and that is pretty hard to come back from. So, I thought I would try Grail with the 'slow the runner down' philosophy last night. And it worked pretty well!"
After that discussion, I changed the deck with: -2 Cerebral Static -1 Swordsman -2 Pop-up Window -2 Tollbooth
and added: +2 Architect +2 Will-o'-the-Wisp and either +1 IT Crowd or +1 Corporate Troubleshooter, haven't decided yet.
Troubleshooter is a surprise and can make a Grail or Architect the runner thinks they can break suddenly stick (turning a Lancelot pretty much into an Archer, or boosting an Architect ridiculously high, and reinstalling the Troubleshooter), IT Crowd gives you more of a taxing approach, meaning you can turn spare clicks on your turn into a tax on the runner later when you're trying to score.
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18 Mar 2015
us0rman
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18 Mar 2015
unitled
Whizzard is pretty rare at the moment, but no doubt he's a tough match up. That's not say it's impossible, I've beaten Whizzard decks before as they can't keep up with the huge volume of assets. The only time I've ever come up against Paricia (and it was in play first turn) I still managed to win. A previous version had Cerebral Static in it which would hurt Whizzard, but I cut that to include the Architect. Note that Valencia has a similar (possibly greater) advantage with the free bad pub credit she gets. A harder match up tbh is Noise, and decks running Imp with recursion. They really go through your deck and make it hard to keep anything up. With Clot coming I'm tempted to pack more Cyberdex Virus Suite which will also help stop Imp rampaging, but I dunno about Noise. Tempted to go back to using Cerebral Static! |
20 Mar 2015
us0rman
thanks a lot, makes sense! What about IT Department? What made you use this card? |
20 Mar 2015
unitled
Generally you can use it to increase the tax on the runner. They will possibly be poor from trashing your assets, so you can spend downtime (while you wait for agendas or money from drip-econ) loading up the IT Crowd. As 11 of your 15 ice potentially has sub routines the runner doesn't want to fire (involving net damage, program trashing, or Architect) you can use a couple of counters from it to make getting into your servers prohibitively expensive. It will also defend itself behind something as simple as a Quandry! There's a chance you can make some nasty ice stick on a careless runner, but usually people will be aware of what IT Crowd can do and slow down to gain the extra money they need. |
how do you feel against Whizzard ?