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Now, I'll be the first to state that building decks off of spoiled identities is kind of silly (since the result will definitely be worse than what will be possible once they actually come out), but since people are publishing decks built off of this guy, I decided to share my thoughts on him.
Some random comments on deckbuilding this funky dude:
Some cards I considered but ultimately didn't include:
And finally some cards I think are outright bad choices for Nasir:
That's about it, feel free to disagree with me on any of the above, as long as you provide a rationale :)
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6 Feb 2014
MisterLovejoy
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7 Feb 2014
PeekaySK
Inside Man is overcosted, from my (many and varied) experiements with him. You pretty much need him to hit the table before any of your hardware comes out, and even then the savings are pretty marginal. Add to that the fact that you need to either play 3 copies or run tech such as Hostage to make that happen, and he becomes extremely "meh". Rook is definitely a serious consideration, but I didn't go with it for two reasons: 1) influence 2) not wanting to go too all-in on the "abuse my ability" part of the deck - I need to be able to function once we're done rezzing ICE, and so I decided to put in Liberated Accounts instead, to bank up credits so to speak. If the Liberated Accounts turn out to not work as well as I expect them to, swapping them out for Rook is a definite possibility. |
7 Feb 2014
apo
But now the question is... Why this id? Basically you're trying to play around his drawback and not utilizing the bright side at all. Just swap him for Kate and you're much better with this particular deck. |
7 Feb 2014
PeekaySK
I respectfully disagree. Maybe I didn't get my idea through well enough in the description - the idea is to leverage the credit resets into early aggression without losing tempo, which is something that would not be possible with a different ID (and particularly Kate). That part would work just as fine with any other set of breakers, I just chose the perma-pumpable ones to reduce windows of opportunity for rezzing counterplay by a good Corp player. This is definitely "building around the identity", but I'm not convinced you'd do comparably with a different identity - my gut says that this set of breakers will be too cost-inefficient for routine usage by a different ID (unless we're talking Tower of Power, Glacier or something). Of course, my idea about how to play this might turn out to be unworkable - we won't know until we actually try, though :) |
7 Feb 2014
apo
Ok, I've read everything carefully once more and I think I get it now. You want to spend creds before running (or during the run before encountering derezzed ice), then run to gain some on rez. Then spend to install stuff and repeat. Right? |
7 Feb 2014
PeekaySK
Yes, that's the plan for the early game. This should (in theory) propel me into midgame much faster (think Andromeda, but with credit advantage instead of card advantage), thus making all my stuff less horribly inefficient :D Not sure whether it'll work at all, but I plan to test this weekend (since the only card I need to proxy is Nasir). I'm very curious myself. If this works, it could very well be the first identity that actually doesn't have Sure Gamble as a mandatory auto-include! |
7 Feb 2014
Alsciende
I like the Liberated Account. Not sure how you'll get to 6 credits, though. Seems to me that with only Kati Jones in the econ department, you'll be very broke very often :-) My version packs PW + SG + DL in addition to Kati Jones. I'm not afraid to play SG because I have PW. I'm more on the conservative side, I guess ;) I'm worried about your Pipeline. Why not just play Dagger, which is good? You won't have a perma-boost killer, but at least you'll have a killer! I think playing Pipeline here is a form of over-commitement to an idea. Pipeline -> Dagger and TPT -> DL would be much better IMO. I'm not sold on Snitch. You will get shut down by unrezzed ice. Snitch won't change that. The Corp will install new ice on R&D to keep you away. I'd rather play Femme Fatale and/or Inside Job to shunt Nasir's ability late-game, than Snitch. |
7 Feb 2014
PeekaySK
Sooner or later, a Bastion I'll bounce off of is bound to get rezzed :D But yes, the "being broke" part of this whole idea is what I need to test on (already made plans for tomorrow, will report :) ). Pipeline is sort of the polar opposite of Cloak & Dagger - it's at its strongest against Stacked Sentries of Doomâ„¢, which is sorta the hard counter to C&D's efficiency. Maybe run both (and use whichever makes more sense at the time), instead of hoping to Personal Touch the problem away? The more I think about it, the more I like the notion - I'm already running Cloaks anyway, so the opportunity cost is very small, and the potential payoff is just huge. p.s. of the three perma-pumpable breakers I'm running, I actually think Battering Ram is the worst. For the MU, I'd rather have Morningstar, but there's no space for the support stuff it requires to be solid :( Currently considering: -1 Snitch -1 Cyberfeeder +1 Inside Job -1 Pipeline +2 Dagger -3 Personal Touch +3 Dirty Laundry |
7 Feb 2014
PeekaySK
(or rather, just one dagger and upping the Mem Chip count to three, for more consistency and less dependency on getting Toolbox out) |
7 Feb 2014
Watzlav
I probably like your approach on this identity the most out of the three I've seen, but the point I agree with the most is that it' kind of silly, given that we have not seen over a hundred cards that will be available once this id is printed. But there's one card I think would synergize with this identity beautifully and am surprised no one mentioned. Running Interference. Am I overlooking something or is it just outrageously blasphemous to claim for Nasir it could be on par with Account Siphon? |
7 Feb 2014
Alsciende
Running Interference adds an additional cost to rez. It doesn't change the rez cost. |
7 Feb 2014
PeekaySK
Yeah, that's the biggest catch when looking for Nasir toys: Effects that increase the rez cost (Xanadu, Rook) do work, effects that create an additional cost (Running Interference, Cortez Chip) don't. |
3 Aug 2014
jakechance
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4 Aug 2014
PeekaySK
Looking over this list now, though, there's at least some things I see:
That's all I see right now, although that's just a starting point. This is definitely one of those decks that morph completely in the process of testing/tuning. |
Any consideration to going with an Inside Man/Replicator approach to this setup? The other thing I would consider is Rook as a thought toward increasing his ability's usefulness.