Am I crazy for thinking this could work?

Cemehiden 81

13 comments
18 Dec 2013 PeekaySK

Short version: Yes.

:D

Long version: you definitely need Parasites (and probably Datasuckers), at the very least - so you can get through into HQs with 4 and more pieces of Ice. I'd probably drop the DLR/Joshua bit for it, you don't really need it.

Ditching Krakens for Medium would probably be the right move, too. Gives you an actual, proper plan B :)

18 Dec 2013 Treiclon

I'd add E3 implants on top of what PeekaySK said, Knight is great but 2c per subroutine can get expensive pretty quickly. You also need those parasites to trash any wild swordman that appears in your way. It's that or a mimic.

18 Dec 2013 Cemehiden

The long version isn't as long as I thought it would be. :p

If it works how I think it could work they won't have the money to rez 4 pieces of ice over HQ or even install them in the first place.

I completely agree with the addition of Medium.

The thought behind DLR would be to trash the top card of RND after a successful run. You would use it to trash any economical benefits that the corp could potentially draw next turn. If used in this fashion I think it could be very effective in this deck.

I think I could drop Joshua B. since I have other ways to generate the tag for DLR.

What do you think about: -2 Joshua B. , -2 Kraken +2 Medium, +2 Crypsis

18 Dec 2013 Cemehiden

With 16 cards being free, and 13 costing 2. I think you'll have the credits for Vamp or Knights.

18 Dec 2013 SynnerG

I just think a "Tag Me" sort of build (The Josh and DLR) wouldn't run any Resource econ or abilities like SOT. If their ICE is so expensive to rez (or it has bee trashed) they just won't try to anymore and dump the money into trashing your resources before they get Vamped or AS.

If you want to do DLR, the more reliable way to run this I think is the John Masanori and Crash Space play. You run somewhere first click and ETR voluntarily to get a tag, then double mill and then last click to drop the tag for free with the recurring credits.

Otherwise I'd drop the DLR idea and just for got more and more denial with Parasites and Suckers as was mentioned.

18 Dec 2013 PeekaySK

The long version isn't as long as I thought it would be. :p

That's because I first needed to get a feel for whether you're a reasonable person that will consider advice properly :P

If it works how I think it could work they won't have the money to rez 4 pieces of ice over HQ

This is an early-game plan only, though (possibly mid-game, but probably not, given the efficiency of the Transaction economy and the soon-to-come GRNDL). You'd need to run copious amounts of multi-access to really capitalize on it, like several copies of Medium and Nerve Agent.

The thought behind DLR would be to trash the top card of RND after a successful run. You would use it to trash any economical benefits that the corp could potentially draw next turn. If used in this fashion I think it could be very effective in this deck.

Here's a version of the same thing that requires less setup: "Imp". Here's a version of the same thing that requires similar setup, but is much much much more effective: multiple mediums (with counters) + Demo Run

Both of those have the added benefit of actually sticking around whether you're tagged or not :) (also, they tend to eat up less actions). If your plan is to play tag-me and you have the space, I'd consider keeping the Joshuas as a possibility. Keeping DLR and losing Joshuas is a less solid plan in my eyes - DLR doesn't really do anything a proper multi-access Demo Run won't do either, and it's much more circumstantial.

What do you think about: -2 Joshua B. , -2 Kraken +2 Medium, +2 Crypsis

Definitely Mimic over Crypsis. You already have one expensive and click-intensive AI breaker, adding a second one with the exact same traits won't really help you all that much :D As for DLR and Joshua, see above. Also, I would probably try to fit in Armitage Codebusting (see my whizzard deck for an explanation as for why it makes a lot of sense even in a tag-me build).

With 16 cards being free, and 13 costing 2. I think you'll have the credits for Vamp or Knights.

Knights will cost you a TON of money, don't underestimate that. Vamp is only effective if you have decidedly more cash than the corp, otherwise you neuter both of you. Hence, more econ is probably a good idea.

18 Dec 2013 PeekaySK

For the record, here's the version I'm testing right now:

Caballero Roja

Reina Roja: Freedom Fighter (Mala Tempora)

Event (16) 2x Account Siphon (Core Set) ••••• ••• 2x Demolition Run (Core Set) 3x Déjà Vu (Core Set) 3x Emergency Shutdown (Cyber Exodus) ••••• • 3x Sure Gamble (Core Set) 3x Vamp (Trace Amount)

Hardware (4) 2x Deep Red (Mala Tempora) 2x Plascrete Carapace (What Lies Ahead)

Resource (8) 3x Armitage Codebusting (Core Set) 3x Liberated Account (Trace Amount) 2x Xanadu (Humanity's Shadow)

Icebreaker (5) 3x Knight (Mala Tempora) 2x Mimic (Core Set)

Program (12) 1x Crescentus (A Study in Static) • 3x Medium (Core Set) 3x Parasite (Core Set) 2x Pawn (Opening Moves) 3x Rook (Opening Moves)

The biggest problem so far seems to be a complete and utter inability to handle Januses without taking 1 brain damage.

18 Dec 2013 PeekaySK

After further testing:

I think the Knights really need to be Crypsis for this to work. You want to be able to break Rooked ice, and you need to be able to reliably break one of two ice that gets rezzed.

18 Dec 2013 PeekaySK

Also, not really sold on Xanadu - I'll be replacing them with Datasuckers, that oughta help things considerably.

18 Dec 2013 PeekaySK

(and when I said Datasucker, I really meant Bishop - he's similarly useful but more stable in this situation, and has better synergy with the rest of the deck)

18 Dec 2013 Freeman 1.0

With Reina Roja I have a problem: cards who bring me to the hand caissas like djinn bring me virus. The only cards who would do this deck fluent would be: SMC and draw-cards like diesel/quality time.

If we want to siphon or vamp early, we need to go fast (at least to be competitive like Andi) otherwise FA will eat us.

Parasite, crypsis and datasucker are necessaries to support the deck with also two djim, I Thinck so.

(sorry for my rusty english)

19 Dec 2013 PeekaySK

But that's the thing - you don't want to run too many viruses and too few Caissas, because then you're better off running Grimoire instead. You can't run enough of both, because there's not enough space for it.

That's why I'm thinking Bishop.

19 Dec 2013 Cemehiden

I completely agree that Bishop is a better fit in this deck than Datasucker. PeekaySK hits the nail on the head with his above comment. If you run datasucker and drop knights you are better off running Grimoire and less Caissas programs.