Chaos Thievery (Chronos Bratislava First Place)

I've tested Chakana in my turbo-CT builds, and I like it. It definitely puts The Fear into FA corps, and boy who doesn't like that?

I've found that the biggest trick in using Chakana is not trying to get it online ASAP (at great cost). You don't need it to stop the first agenda, you need it to stop the last one (or rather, get you a turn's advance warning).

So, what you do is you just let it hit the table (it's best in CT because there you won't be missing the 1 MU as much), then it slowly feeds off Indexings and random accesses. That way, by the time you need it, it's online.

Yes, definitely: don't break the bank or expose yourself trying to get 3 tokens on the Chakana.

Grats on the win PK - and thanks to everyone who helped organizing the tourney! Was a really fun day! Hopefully we can stop you in Vienna next week :-)

Congrats! Too bad you didn't wait Monday to publish, you can't run for this week's "decklist of the week" :-(

Hey, I can always try for next week... besides, this week's DLotW is so awesome it'd be a damn shame if he didn't get a spotlight!

Good to see you get the Test Runs in there for the new version, they're definitely worth it ;)

I tried my version of your older version out again but kept getting snagged against lots of low cost Ice. Admittedly some of my problem was forgetting to get that Magnum Opus early and get the economy going. I think I was unlucky with Indexing too (one game I got nothing out of ten cards seen).

Congrats on the win!

One new question - do you get use of the Deus Ex? I've played quiet a few games with similar decks now and can't think of a single occasion where I've used it. Has it saved your bacon?

I like Deus X mostly as a way to beat down big bioroids (Heimdall, Janus) for cheap. It's also insurance going into a Jinteki IAA that you really need to intercept.

@evilgaz: yeah, for taxing setups (either because of many subs, or because of many small pieces of ICE) you definitely need Opus ASAP. Getting "nothing" out of two Indexings is hard to believe though - if nothing else, you got to see 5 cards and you got to re-order them to the worst possible configuration, non? :P Agendas are not always the point of Indexing, actually, delaying a problematic card (be it a Tollbooth, a Closed Accounts, a Scorched or what have you) is just as valuable.

Deus X: I definitely got use out of it. First of all, having it out if you're going into a remote with an advanced card is usually a good idea - Junebug just costs 1 inf, you never know. And then, there are all these other uses:

In one game, an early Indexing showed me a Snare, so I just dropped DX and that was that. In another, I used it repeatedly to break through a Heimdall 2.0 that would otherwise end the Indexing run in progress. In a third, I got through a chummed Data Mine that would have otherwise killed me (especially in conjunction with the Fetal AI that was waiting on the other end :D). And in yet another game, it served as a reasonable deterrent to an opponent running Punitive Counterstrike in conjunction with Neural EMP (though I lost that game in the end, without DX I'd probably lose a lot sooner). Also, it's hands down the cheapest way to get through a Flare for me.

tl;dr: what Hypo said :)

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Sure, why not :)

Hey, I was poking around for nice fast Shaper decks that would be strong again NBN NEH FA and this seemed like a likely option.

It occurred to me that from Honor & Profit, trading out an Account Siphon + ? for a Legwork and a Planned Assault would be a nice updated to the deck. What do you think?

Also, are there other new cards that you think belong in this deck?

x3r0h0ur published an updated version of the deck for H&P.

-2 Account Siphon
-3 Dirty Laundry
+2 Legwork
+2 Planned Assault
+3 Scavenge
-1 Clone Chip
-1 Plascrete Carapace

@Ber Yeah, I originally built this specifically against TWIY Astrobiotics, so it being good against NEH isn't inconceivable :)

For the record, x3r0h0ur's version is pretty far from how I would update this. You lose a lot of tempo with Planning for a Siphon instead of playing it straight up - one of my most-often used moves was a first turn Siphon followed up by an Indexing... this is something you usually can't pull with Planned Assault (you'll end up being short on both money to get the initial Siphon through, and clicks for the post-Indexing run).

The biggest tweaks needed after H&P (and Upstalk) are actually in the icebreaker department, because you're now facing a different ICE selection than I did when I played this deck. Specifically, you need a second, cheaper Sentry breaker (because you really don't want to have to have Femme out for Komainus) and probably at least one more Atman.

Doing those needed tweaks without influence could get tricky, though - from my testing, dropping down to 2 Siphons hurts consistency too much.

Hmm interesting feedback, thanks Alsciende and Peekay.

Peekay, if I still changed an AS for a Planned Assault, I could afford a Mimic, which would be great against little sentries. Or as a no-inf-cost option and keeping 3 AS, if I'm mostly targeting Rototurret & Komainu I could put in (the rarely played) Pipeline?

I'm curious why you would add another Atman. Is it just to draw one earlier? Or you want one installed at 0 and another at 4 / whatever suits the deck?

Personally, I'd try for the Pipeline play. Your biggest pre-Femme problems are Rototurret and Komainu, with Tsurugi and Fenris being a relatively close second. For all of those, Pipeline is either equivalent to Mimic, or at least somewhat close.

Another Atman: so that I can set one to whatever I actually need (think 4 vs. Lotus Fields, 5 vs. Tollbooths, etc), and still have a second one to plug my sentry-breaking holes, increasing efficiency. Atman at 0 wrecks people that rely on Chimeras and Rototurrets as their defense exclusively (and sometimes that's beyond awesome), but it's not always actually needed. Don't fall prey to the mistake of formulaic thinking, consider what strength Atman would help you best in each given scenario :)

On the other hand, if I have to spend 12 credits to break a Tollbooth, I'd say the deck has failed. I'd much rather Scavenge a Femme to bypass the Tollbooth.

But if you need to pressure several different servers with Tollbooths on them (which is far from an unusual scenario these days), a single Atman starts being a tad better than a Femme you have to keep swapping around. The fact that it also protects you from Inazuma and Grim is another very nice bonus.

It's a late-game kind of plan, sure... but I like to have those as backup :P

Just a thought...

Would it work to remove ZU.13 and two other cards of choice (Same Old Thing, Sure Gamble, Dirty Laundry?) and replace them with two Lockpick and a single Refractor?

What do you stand to gain from doing that? You weaken your early game economy/start, ability to sustain pressure, and ability to get through multiple code gates. Also, you lose 1 virtual MU (because Zu + Toolbox). The upsides aren't worth it at all.

Über-n00b here :) How do you deal with the tags accrued from Account Siphon? Do you immediately (or as soon as possible) spend 2 clicks and 4 creds to remove them? Or do you ignore them, hoping that the corp you are facing won't play on them somehow? Is there an obvious and less costly strategy I am missing?