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Stronger Together has been a passion project of mine since I started playing Netrunner shortly after its release. While the ability can be great as I will discuss, Stronger Together has always suffered from the age old "better in Engineering the Future" comparison. After two plus years of playing both IDs extensively, I can honestly say this comparison is justified. Most Stronger Together builds can switch a few cards and gain incremental consistency just by switching the ID. I honestly think the biggest mistake FFG made with this ID was not making Architect a bioroid. If you had an ice that powerful that was out of Mimic range and was unclickable, I honestly think it would have brought this ID back into relevance all by itself. But this is a fantasyland dream and we have to deal with the card pool we are dealt. The decklist I'm posting is admittedly Tier 2, but is honestly the best Stronger Together deck I've ever played in all the time I've been tuning it. There are some bad matchups and you will be vulnerable in the early game relative to other corps. While many may immediately run from a non-Tier 1 deck, I think you can win a lot of games with it, so don't be turned off and give it a shot if you love jamming bioroids as I do.
The draw to the deck is that it takes a few of the best ice in the game (namely Eli 1.0 and Ichi 1.0) and makes them even better. It also propels otherwise marginal/just good ice (Heimdall 1.0 and Viktor 1.0) into monsters. The ice suite is the definition of taxing once you get off the ground. Once you get even two ice rezzed on a server, very few runner rigs can consistently make runs through them without stopping to focus on econ. This creates enough time to get your upgrades in a remote and score with tempo while the runner is rebuilding credits. I'll offer some key thoughts on the build as the HB glacier build is pretty tried and true at this point. I'm happy to answer questions or read any suggestions of additions/changes, so feel free to post.
-The addition of Global Food Initiative is the best thing to ever happen to Stronger Together. It is so much better than any other 5/3 ever available (I'm looking at you Project Wotan) it isn't even funny.The biggest way I used to lose the game was giving up a 3 pointer early and then struggling to shut the runner out the rest of the game. Now you effectively put the runner in a position where you have to score 3 agendas to win while your opponent has to score 4. Stronger Together owns the long game, so having more time to get there is huge. ABT gets you free bioroids and is HB's best agenda by far. NAPD is great in this deck and I've always played 3 as runners will go broke trying to get through your pumped up bioroids to the point that it protects itself.
-Brain-Taping Warehouse is an excellent economy card, but good runners can play around it. You usually want to play these behind ice early. The normal play pattern is that you force the runner to run through it early in their turn as they expect to have to click through it. You can use this to your advantage to get the discounted rez on the ice protecting it. This is a fine trade as you get free ice and the runner has to spend their entire turn and 4 credits. Adonis campaign is also key because you can bluff it as an Accelerated Beta Test in your scoring remote and force runners to waste time and money running through your remotes. Melange and Daily Business Show round out the draw and economy and are my typical targets for Interns. The runner will usually run low on money and stop running these once you recur them. Sticking either of these puts you very far ahead.
-Caprice and Heinlein Grid are key to scoring with this deck. Heinlein Grid keeps runners honest and forces them to pay full price to get through your servers, which is why you played Stronger Together to begin with. If the runner goes to zero credits, they can't afford to play the psi game with Caprice, guaranteeing a score. Heinlein Grid has been much better than Ash for me in this deck as you are typically not as rich as Engineering the Future, making it difficult to invest much into an Ash trace. Caprice/Heinlein gives you a reliable way to score out and is the best combination I've tested.
-The ice suite pretty much builds itself to be honest. Stronger Together wants to play the best of the cheap bioroids and doesn't benefit from playing the big boys like Wotan and Janus (those are better in Foundry or Engineering the Future). In order, the best bioroids in the deck in my opinion are: Eli 1.0, Ichi 1.0, Heimdall 1.0, Viktor 1.0, Viktor 2.0 and Markus 1.0. The numbers of each reflect the relative value I place on each of them. Architect is key to the deck because you want to be able to take advantage of the runner's assumption that every ice in your deck will be a clickable bioroid. If you can land an early Architect trigger (as we've all experienced), you are very far ahead. Your end game will usually have 3 ice servers all around. While this won't always shut your opponent out, it will slow them down enough for you to win.
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4 Nov 2015
michaeln
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4 Nov 2015
akonnick
In terms of matchups, you do a lot of damage to Shapers playing Lady/Mimic rigs. They can't keep up with the number of barrier subroutines typically and are very vulnerable to Ichi. You need to take your time and shore up your centrals to not die to an early Maker's Eye or something like that. Anarch w/ parasite/fixed breakers or Eater is good as the extra strength really helps. Early game against criminal with siphon is tough as good players will blind siphon and pressure you to keep you in the early game. If you can not lose to an early Legwork, you can usually turn the corner as they run out of money quickly. The worst matchup has actually proven to be Apex. Apocalypse has wrecked me and having E3 feedback implants played against you is rough. Caprice on a central server is important to give you a chance to prevent Apocalypse. Hope this helps and enjoy! |
5 Nov 2015
Sarakhan
Very nice deck As a new player i am learning a lot about where to put ice and why with this Can you give some examples for optimal placement in RND and scoring server configurations? |
5 Nov 2015
akonnick
You're main thought process is where to prioritize your 2md piece of ice for your centrals. You generally want to just think about the is on the other side of the table (i.e. I will ice hq more against criminal to protect against siphon or get something like architect on archives against noise). Against shaper, you want to be careful not to stack too many code gates on a single server as gordian blade makes it much cheaper for them to run since it maintains strength. The same would be true for battering ram but it sees less play. Hope that helps and feel free to post if there's anything else I can do to assist. |
5 Nov 2015
the_eigensheep
Looks great! I was making the shell of a Stronger Together deck for Worlds this weekend, and I was thinking about Heinlein and Caprice. I hope you don't mind, but I think I'm going to snag this list for the tournament this weekend! |
5 Nov 2015
akonnick
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8 Nov 2015
Vimes
I like how no-nonsense this is, despite using an ID that most people forgets even exists. I imagine I can improve my general corp play with this. Do you ever put Heinlein Grid protecting a central server, or is it generally for the remote combo with Caprice Nisei? I guess there is a situation for everything, such as making them unable to click through during an early Account Siphon, but in general it is rather telegraphed. How many remote servers do you usually protect with ice? Daily Business Show tends to need protection I feel, but it isn't powerful enough to force a runner to go through your scoring server to trash it, whereas I feel Adonis and Melange can be stuffed in there as you play for the lategame. How do you feel about other click-intensive or bioroid focused cards like Enhanced Login Protocol? For not the strongest identity text out there, I still feel like I'd be vulnerable to Employee Strike here. I tend to think too much about Silver Bullets, but could a Cyberdex Virus Suite fit in here? It'd synergize with putting your ice out of reach of fixed strength breakers. |
8 Nov 2015
akonnick
Dbs is usually unprotected and Adonis is once you get enough ice rezzed. While the first one usually gets trashed, you will be surprised how many times you can interns them back over the course of a game. Runners can't pay to trash these forever otherwise they are too broke to go after agendas. I dislike elp because it doesn't really cost the runner anything to trash and you can't recur it on demand as easily as with Heinlein. Cvs is always nice to have but the ice strength in this deck is so high that it is unnecessary. If the runner has lots of data suckers early, you just clear once and that is usually the last time you'll see them |
9 Nov 2015
Vimes
Thank you for the reply Considering making a variation on this deck that utilizes Oaktown Grid and the 6str Hudson 1.0 to really make your primary remote hell for the runner. Oaktown makes Adonis, Brain, and even Melange a Pain. I think Hudson combos well not just to tax those multi-access R&D runs you mentioned, but it would appear to have some synergy with the Upgrades you are already running. Unless the runner pays the Hudson tax, they cannot both steal an agenda and scrap the Caprice/Heinlein, and if Oaktown fits it puts a major tax on multiple runs through your Strong bioroids. I'm sure you have considered Hudson, so I'd like your thoughts on this idea. |
10 Nov 2015
akonnick
Oaktown grid is a card that seems ok, but don't know what you would cut to make room for it. Since you Are not etf, you need to play more economy and I'm not sure Where else you could cut. Feel free to let me know what ideas you have about what you would change to include and have fun building. |
Interesting deck! I'm looking forward to giving it a go.
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