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Foreword:
This is my attempt at demonstrating that IG:GS can be a competitive ID.
I have tested this deck against competitive runners (a very nasty Noise and CT's Double event oracle May, both players experienced with their decks) with a 2/1 result. My one loss was to Noise who pulled a surprise Levy AR after running out of cards and some tactical mistakes on my side.
I think this deck has potential. Right now I would rate it upper 2nd tier.
Philosophy:
The key is to answer two fundamental questions specific to this ID:
1) Leverage the ID's ability by playing MUST trash assets, but which Assets?
2) Secure the ID's ability by making Archives runs very punishing. Shock and Shi.Kyu are obvious choices. But is that enough?
These two questions are interconnected, and the answers led to the current build. Taken apart, the answer to 2 is NO. Without additional pressure on the runner, the best move is to bite the bullet, run archieves, take some net damage, then trash those assets at regular cost.
It became clear that the flatline threat had to be real. It means Neural EMP. It means Ronin with Overwriter. With The ID's ability, both Ronin and Overwriter are protected from being trashed after a random access in HQ/R&D. It means more likelyhood of ending in a remote.
Since taxing the runner is important (else the ID ability is useless) we want taxing ice and low density taxing agenda choice
Strategy:
In the Early game I would overdraw to fill-up archieves with facedown cards (preferably with some traps) and have at least one remote with an advanced card. They key for them NOT running archives is the threat your advanced cards pose. Icing Archives is also high priority (your second ice should go there)
Maintain pressure the entire game, play the Jinteki mind game (if you don't have the guts to double advance a naked Future perfect then this deck is not for you) and have fun.
Choices and alternatives:
When you consider all the mandatory cards, there is not a lot of room to maneuver. Here are my thoughts:
49 cards, no more: I think a fatter deck is a mistake: You want your Archives traps and your overwriter to appear ASAP! Adding cards seems like a good idea since you want to mass thrash into archives, but it softens your match plan.
No Caprice? Caprice is a great card with this ID. Cutting her was hard, but I need to focus the deck. I know protecting Archives with Caprice is a sound plan, but what to cut? You need enough ice to be taxing, and the economy is already shaky. Maybe cut some Shi.Kyu. But that softens the threat of a flatline following a run on archives.
No Celebrity Gift: Version 1.0 ran a couple, but I was too often in a situation where I did not want to reveal my hand.
Sundew: All games I played I had an unprotected Sundew the entire game that never got trashed. One Sundew is all the economy you need. Enough said.
Archived Memories: this is a new addition. The game is lost when all 3 overwriters are accounted for. This ensures the threat remains a bit longer.
Known weaknesses:
Imp: I have a very simple principle: Purge when they play an Imp. You will still lose a card the turn they play it, but the damages can be irrepairable if you leave it on the table. This is your hardest counter. If you know they can spam Imp, you need to change your plan and protect your remotes with some ice.
Economy: The deck relies on the runner not trashing your Sundew, but the truth is you don't have too many economy cards, and the worse case scenario is you are clicking for credits. This is acceptable if the runner is still too poor to trash the Ronin (he spent all his money trashing your Sundew) I do not recommend cutting ice to add economy assets. You want the runner to be too poor to trash the important assets. That's what the ice is for.
Feedback welcome. I'll keep testing and refining.
17 comments |
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22 Dec 2014
hi_impact
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22 Dec 2014
Qualistarian
Have you tried Hostile Infrastructure? It seems to me that, especially with multiple ones out, it will help mitigate the harm from trashing your Sundews and Ronins. |
23 Dec 2014
Shishu
You mentioned Imp, but what about Keyhole? I recently played a similar deck and managed to trash two Snares and an Overwriter, as well as a Jackson and 3 points of agendas (2 of which I scored). That's not something you can just clear when they play it. Do you simply ice up RnD, in that case? Or have you just not seen a lot of Keyhole in your meta? |
23 Dec 2014
licoricemaniac
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24 Dec 2014
licoricemaniac
For economy I completely removed Hedge Funds and replaced them with Melange. |
27 Dec 2014
Snake Eyes
I feel as though Komainu is anti-synergistic with all the brain damage you're dishing out with Cerebral Overwriter. Any thoughts on trying a harder flatline piece of ICE like say Shinobi? |
27 Dec 2014
licoricemaniac
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28 Dec 2014
Wolf88
I'd try to run a more taxing deck and use Hostile Infrastructure instead of Neural Emp and Edge of World instead of Overwriter. The added influence would let you run Fenris or Viktor 1.0 for more brain damage. Reworking the agenda suite and adding House of Knives and more Fetal instead of NAPD would let you tax even more the runner. I'll try and work a decklist of my own starting from yours! |
28 Dec 2014
Pinkwarrior
Have you tried GRNDL Refinery? i would think this would be excellent econ for the deck tho at the cost of influence. Also what about Hades Fragment this could help putting face up cards back into the deck or Architect for similar reasons? I am interested to hear your thoughts on these cards i've been looking at trying this ID out and so it seems like it be best to get some info from someone who's tried it before looking at my own version. |
28 Dec 2014
licoricemaniac
Hades Fragment I tried and it saved my bacon once. I'd say it is a viable choice. Utopia makes stealing agendas more taxing, which synergizes with your ID power. I don't run Architect in Jinteki because I assume my opponent will get a sentry breaker ASAP (which is the right thing to do vs. Jinteki)
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28 Dec 2014
Pinkwarrior
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29 Dec 2014
Syntax
Still, I would try this with 54 cards. The bvious agenda is Philotic, and in the 4 cards, I'd put Junebug, and Subliminal messaging x 52 :) |
29 Dec 2014
licoricemaniac
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1 Jan 2015
pinksky
How about Reclamation Order — insane useful for returning shocks in facedown archive section?) |
Loved the write up. Will be trying this list whenever I can find the time over the holidays.
The threat of taking 'too much' damage checking Archives to recover from a Ronin or Neural is what I like about your deck. You know that Archives will never be truly uncheckable, and it's only a matter of exploiting the ID's ability as long as you can.