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6 Jun 2015
Heartthrob
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6 Jun 2015
Tytles
Maybe switch out 2 Domestic Sleepers and 1 Priority Requisition for 3 Self-Destruct Chips. That makes it to where you can lower their hand size if they avoid your brain dmg. |
6 Jun 2015
phrydephisch
Some other easy changes that can be made to the deck are with Gyri Labyrinth and Ryon Knight. Gyri Labyrinth has won me games before, and a lot of the time acts like Chum if they don't have a breaker, forcing a jack out. However, it does nothing a lot of the time as well, especially with Yog coming back in the meta in a big way. It could easily be swapped for another piece of ice (I would do a second Ichi personally). Ryon Knight is in a similar situation. He has done work for me before, especially with a scored Woton, but I find a lot of the time he is a card I discard from hand if I need the space, and I don't think I can pull off his brain damage. He can be swapped for just about anything, but I would seriously consider another Archived Memories or piece of ice in the slot. |
7 Jun 2015
Shulmey
Ryon Knight works a LOT better if you're using Brain-Taping Warehouse and False Lead. In your deck, you're probably better off just using boring old Ash... |
7 Jun 2015
cranked
I'm with |
8 Jun 2015
Flux
What do you do about rich runners? I've been intrigued by these builds but every runner packing a ton of credits. |
8 Jun 2015
phrydephisch
Lots of discussion on this build, much more than I thought there would be (honestly just published the list because of a request from an opponent on jinteki.net to see it). Thanks for your ideas, it's given me lots to think about.
The basic idea with this deck is to play fast. Use Jackson/Clearances to draw the pieces you need as soon as possible, playing ice and burst econ as needed. If you have mushin, don't be afraid to take risks and rush out agendas with it without punitive to back it up. They know what ID you are playing, so there will always be the fear of Overwriter to make them think twice about running it. The longer the game goes, the less likely it is that you will be able to out money the runner, which is why I like the burst econ over asset econ. In the end, I think that this is an incredibly fun deck to play that can definitely catch people off guard. It isn't a deck I would take to Regionals because of the weaknesses highlighted by this discussion, but definitely one to consider for a fun GNK type event. |
9 Jun 2015
rumirumirumirumi
I think your deck is pretty neat and I'll have to try it out. I wonder though if the ice isn't too expensive to rez with the clearance economy. Successful Demonstration probably pays dividends for this, but I wonder if it's enough. |
9 Jun 2015
Heartthrob
Bro, your deck got a nice little mention in an article. Glad you published it ;) |
10 Jun 2015
Glitch29
I'm on about the third iteration of a very similar deck, and I just linked in here from the SMC article. It is just blowing my mind how close the two decks are. I have a Viper over the second Viktor 2.0. I have a Successful Demonstration and a 2nd Blue Level over the Restructure and 3rd Punitive. Otherwise, Operations and ICE are identical. I love what you've done with the agenda choices though - that was absolutely brilliant. I knew that Mushin strategies supported big, powerful agendas, but going for all 3-pointers makes the Domestic Sleepers asymmetry as strong as it can possibly get. The 3/3/2/2/2/2/2/2 agenda package requires 15.8 random accesses for the runner, compared to your 3/3/3/3/3/3/0/0 package which requires a whole 18.3. Combined with the Punitive Counterstrike synergy, it seems a clear winner over the Mandatory Upgrades plan. I still think MU is the best single agenda for this type of strategy, but it's undeniable how much easier it is to count to 7 this way. My only real question is how is the Ryon Knight working out for you? I quickly got the impression that he was nearly unplayable and stopped even testing with him. I wonder I was too quick to judgement though. |
11 Jun 2015
Tytles
In response to `@Flux's question I think the best way to beat a rich runner is to be prepared. Or in other words be ready to take their money away from them with Reversed Accounts under a HUGE glacier. Or build a tag deck to take up a ton of their time removing tags. |
11 Jun 2015
phrydephisch
Thanks for the love guys, I am still in shock that this deck has generated this much discussion. I can't believe it has gotten love from outside sources (thanks
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11 Jun 2015
Tytles
Cool. I really don't normally have amazing ideas. But this conversation helped me out a ton. Thanks guys. |
11 Jun 2015
Tytles
Actually I never noticed the Utopia Fragment with mushin and all the 3pt agendas. I think that was really smart if you put something like Janus1.0 over it. |
15 Jun 2015
TheseGlyphs
Hey man, really enjoying this deck. I've used it as the inspiration for a version which fakes out Mandatory Upgrades with Mushin for crazy 4-click turns here, see what you think! |
24 Jun 2015
dasher
I am running a similar deck with, but with Adonis Campaign, Shell Corporation and Hedge Fund for econ and still find this not to be enough. Interested to know how this deck fairs with its econ limitations. |
30 Jun 2015
phrydephisch
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I think the Mushin + Punitive combo is real folks. Can't access the mushin'd card because it's CO...but also can't access it because it's a 3pt agenda and he's packing 2 Punitive. Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't...basically sums up this deck. Great build man, I'm gonna give this some reps and let you know what I think.
With only 6 scorable agendas for the runner, R&D lock is a rough go. That's going to be pretty big against a meta that loves to RDI, Maker's and Medium so much.