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A denial focused Off the Grid deck which aims to use Crisium Grid, Caprice Nisei and Excalibur to lock the runner out of remotes.
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20 Jan 2015
Dydra
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20 Jan 2015
miaxari
HQ usually because of things such as Sneakdoor Beta or Account Siphon but it's situational. Playing as Blue Sun: Powering the Future lets you change your mind. |
21 Jan 2015
miaxari
Ah. In which case Caprice may not be as strong a play in this deck as I though. I'm considering shipment from mirror morph and perhaps more recursion as I lose the upgrades a lot. |
21 Jan 2015
Dzerards
Ash on the other hand is not bypassed by Sneakdoor runs and is 2 less influence. I'm going to try a version of this deck but drop the Caprice, Merlin and Lancelot for 2 Ash, 3 Mushin No Shin, plus maybe a extra Jackson and a Tollbooth. Consider a set up where Ash and Crisium Grid are on HQ, plus unrezzed Excalibers infront of Archives and HQ, plus whatever else nasty taxing ice. Then you Mushin No Shin out a 3 point then install and rez Off the Grid. That is crazy amounts of pressure on the runner right there! If they don't have an AI breaker they can't run the remote for 2 whole turns assuming they have the money to both beat the Ash trace, trash both it and Crisium and can afford to get into HQ twice. That of course is the absolute best case scenario, but I think even the average case potential of all the moving parts is still pretty solid. |
22 Jan 2015
argus88
Ash and Crisium Grid actually don't work together. (Crisium Grid nullifies Ash's text since it's based on a successful run) Caprice of course works beautifully along with Crisium Grid, but it's just a matter of deciding if it's worth her high influence cost. I ended up cutting her. Mushin No Shin is definitely a great add for this deck though, it's really awesome for Off the Gridding 3 point agendas out of Blue Sun, which is the deck I've been playing for a bit now. |
22 Jan 2015
miaxari
Yeah I decided against Ash and have now cut Caprice, but I'm struggling to get the ice and economy right for Blue Sun. The economy is so much stronger in the early game for BABW but Blue Sun takes some time to get going. I'm very intruiged by the Mushu No Shin technique, currently playing Shipment From Mirrormorph in my BABW variant of this instead of Caprice because it means I can get an agenda Crisium and Off The Grid down in 1 turn and still advance. Excalibur is playing pretty solidly in this. Its good for stopping more than just the run on Off The Grid as it prevents notoritety, quest completed, running repeatly with nerve agent or in some cases medium. Just good all round. Have you got a copy of your Blue Sun deck list I could look over to get a feel for? |
22 Jan 2015
Dzerards
Good point about Ash and Crisium nombo. The couple of games I had with Ash in I never got to use it. Too many moving parts as it is. Here is my list as it currently stands Way Off the Grid Blue Sun: Powering the Future (Up and Over) Agenda (7) 2x Priority Requisition (Core Set) 3x Government Contracts (A Study in Static) 1x Eden Fragment (The Spaces Between) 1x Hades Fragment (Up and Over) Asset (3) 3x Jackson Howard (Opening Moves) ••• Upgrade (6) 3x Off the Grid (Second Thoughts) 3x Crisium Grid (First Contact) Operation (13) 3x Hedge Fund (Core Set) 3x Oversight AI (A Study in Static) 3x Restructure (Second Thoughts) 2x Interns (Mala Tempora) 2x Mushin No Shin (Honor and Profit) •••• Barrier (9) 1x Hadrian's Wall (Core Set) 3x Ice Wall (Core Set) 2x Eli 1.0 (Future Proof) •• 3x Curtain Wall (True Colors) Code Gate (4) 2x Tollbooth (Core Set) •••• 2x Enigma (Core Set) Sentry (5) 3x Caduceus (What Lies Ahead) 2x Swordsman (Second Thoughts) •• ICE (2) 2x Excalibur (The Source) 15 influence spent (maximum 15) 21 agenda points (between 20 and 21) 49 cards (min 45) Cards up to The Source Swordsman is purely because Overmind e3 Quetzal eats this deck for breakfast otherwise. Plus it can protect Excalibur too. The rest of the Ice is either good, cheap, early-game Ice - Ice Wall, Enigma or late-game taxing Ice - Tollbooth Curtain Wall. Eli and Caduceus are good both in the early and late game. Excalibur is just great, I should go back to 3. Agendas wise, I dropped the Utopia Fragment and the Hostiles. The whole point of your deck type is to make it impossible most times to run on advanced cards so Utopia should rarely fire. The Hostiles was just personal taste - I don't like giving away BP when I'm taxing. A scored Eden on the other hand is brilliant with Blue Sun's ability, and Hades is good in general and great versus Noise. Money is OAI + Curtain Wall, but even if you don't see your Oversights, rushing out a Government Contracts behind an Ice Wall and Enigma early game will see you set. I'll probably need to tinker a bit more, I think Lag Time as a current might be interesting to take Caduceus out of Mimic range and mess with Atman countering Excalibur. All in all it is quite a fun build. Thanks for the idea! |
22 Jan 2015
argus88
Mirrormorph is a neat idea. How has it been working? I've found I usually don't mind putting Crisium grid down a few turns earlier though. With HQ heavily blocked up it's a tough prospect for the runner to run without Off The Grid in play just to trash the Crisium (which you don't even have to rez, so it's 5 credits for them with no cost to you) |
24 Jan 2015
argus88
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Interesting deck.
Where does the Caprice goes? HQ or Remote?