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siahofmars 594

Been Tweaking Apex back and for, back and forth... man he's tough!. I always find i want multi access and there isnt enough influence to properly run makers eye's and legworks without being able to play same old thing, so i turned to interfaces, except they are expensive and will get trashed if u apocalypse. So to counter that if i see the window for apocalypse that i really want to land i can uninstall my interface or another program such as mimic that i dont wanna lose, uninstall is short of the Poor mans clone chip that u can do only when your cards are "In Limbo" (facedown) not fully trashed yet. the modded is for the cheap way to install the interfaces, i want to fit 3 in if possible, but cant seem to find the influence for it. I feel i keep wanting to build around apocalypse because its such a cool new featured card, but i feel apoc will only be useful in emergencies when it comes down to the nitty gritty.

I have now taken out some stuff, and needed more burst econ to set up for turns for different things, so i threw in 2 lucky finds, cut prey back to 2 cause its situational on what u play against. and then threw in 2 crypsis to break anything in emergency. also i played a couple games last night where i ran out of cards. I feel levi is absolutely necessary against certain matchups, and feel it should be core with apex. the only thing i don't like about levy is that if u need to pop a hunting grounds and hit levi, how do u get your levi back? Apex feels more and more uncertain the more i play him, which is kind of the beauty of it because u have alot of decision making to do in sacrifice. i dont like chop bot at all, i tried it, and especially dont like it without levi, cause u are wasting your precious resources for breaking and damage for card draw. Dyson is in there so i can have the mimic and crypsis installed at the same time if need be.This is probably my Final Version of this Style build for Apex. Gonna start trying some total other ideas coming soon!.

Play carefully and tactfully ! happy running!

FEEDBACK PLEASE! :).

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3 Nov 2015 esutter479

Have you thought about Overmind at all in place of Crypsis? For one, it'll get you more mileage out of e3, and it'll save you some credits in the long run, especially with the Uninstalls in there.

3 Nov 2015 siahofmars

@esutter479 u know what, i feel you might be right good sir, i will try that out! :) it works great with uninstall, and is Cheaper, and clickless. only bad thing about it is the Timing in which u Must install it. i feel if i went OverMind, i would cut the Ghost runner and go 3 of overmind :).

3 Nov 2015 esutter479

I actually run 3 Ghost Runners in the Apex deck that I'm working on. If you have the room, it's a nice "real" money saver. Just burn them at will since you know you're not stealthing, and if you run out, you run out. :)

I just read the part you posted about uncertainty in Apex...it grows as time goes by, heh. I really wanna make this ID work at my local store. I'm currently the only one there who plays Kim...maybe I can get some notoriety with Apex as well!

3 Nov 2015 siahofmars

yeah i ran ghost runners , i just dont have the slots for em with the other things i need right now. i like em, but u can only use the creds in runs, which is fine with e3 n stuff. but i def would like to have 3 overmind if i went the overmind route. and yes and bravo on your part for being the odd guy out in your decks u play at your store, im the same way i always wanna do the "Indie thing" lol

3 Nov 2015 phette23

I'm trying to make Apex work as well, it's a mystery. Why is e3 in here? Just to save facedown cards? I feel like there are generally enough facedowns available from the turn you set up Apocalypse and afterwards, but maybe you're running more aggressively prior to that.

I'd also look to multi-access events, or powerful pressure on centrals like Siphon or Indexing, rather than interfaces which will get trashed by Apocalypse. My idea is to slowly build, put up even pressure so the Corp is forced to exert ICE, then Apocalypse at a high-value time, land a big run event or two against undefended centrals the turn after.

3 Nov 2015 esutter479

Well, here's the thing. If we Apex players can get the Corp opponents to actually fear and PLAN for Apoc and the like...and get them to realize that their damage is meaningless...then we'll have a much easier time controlling the tempo, regardless of which cards (pressure or otherwise) we decide to slot in.

Right now, there's the staples - Quality Time for draw...DL/SG/Wasteland for money...Ghost Runner to supplement if Overmind is used...limited multi-access (personally, I use a singleton Medium and no HQ multi)...e3+Hunger+Heartbeat+Harbinger for efficiency and survival...HG for obvious reasons...some folks like ABR (I'm still wicked skeptical on that, mostly cuz of influence)...and last but not least, Levy. Anything else one adds is gravy at this time.

This discussion is good though...let's keep it goin'! :)

3 Nov 2015 FarCryFromHuman

@phette23: e3 Feedback Implants is pretty much an auto-include in Apex decks due to its synergy with Endless Hunger. Any ICE with a single "End the run" can be fully broken for a few creds if e3 is installed. This both saves cards as well as allows nasty subs like net damage from Wall of Thorns or trashing from Markus 1.0 to be avoided without having the proper breaker installed. It's basically the other piece of bad stuff mitigation that Apex requires alongside Heartbeat.

3 Nov 2015 phette23

@FarCryFromHuman yeah but I just don't see it saving that many cards, not enough to warrant 4 influence & the install cost. Apex wants a small rig that recovers from Apocalypse quickly & e3 seems like an unnecessary luxury. There aren't that many ICE with ETR + some other sub. Markus is terrible against Apex with all the facedowns & Lady has pretty much run Wall of Thorns out of the meta. I'd rather have more draw e.g. 2x Diesel or Fisk, unless you go the Overmind route & e3 has a secondary purpose.

3 Nov 2015 siahofmars

@FarCryFromHuman the e3 impplants saves u from things that have end runs and also program trash, roto turret, and the big boy Archer, for example. u cant mitigate archers trash 1 program trash 1 program unless u have e3 installed, then u can break the end the run and then e3 the other subroutines. its for things of that nature. i think e3 is a core and auto include in apex as well.

4 Nov 2015 siahofmars

@esutter479 @phette23 @FarCryFromHuman k so i took some different advice and i wanna try a run event version that can go long game and reset as well based more around Apoc. check it.

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4 Nov 2015 siahofmars

@esutter479 @phette23 @FarCryFromHuman took some advice from different people and came up with this.

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4 Nov 2015 SneakdoorMelb

I like it. Also, I mostly want you to know that I love the name. Squarepusher represent!

5 Nov 2015 siahofmars

@SneakdoorMelb YAH! thank you! and someone understood my reference!!! :)