Harder Better Faster Stronger Together

CodeMarvelous 19830

So yet again I attempt to make stronger together work.

This deck has an extremely porous early game but if it gets set up its brutal.

17 Dec 2015 gumonshoe

I like anything that's ST; but that porous early game is always the problem. When you can replace Viktor 2.0 with Ravana, this deck probably gets a lot better.


Brain taping doing much work? I found people often just played well vs it by running later.

17 Dec 2015 x3r0h0ur

Every time I play brain taping, it just gets trashed, which is..okay. If you're already running heinlein, you should run troll for the grossest scoring remote ever. Troll -> ash+heinlein. Drop the gifts, add the trolls, the money saved on trolls should stabilize the difference on gift, add restructures to fill the gaps.

17 Dec 2015 x3r0h0ur

Oh wait you probably don't want total jank right? Disregard lol.

17 Dec 2015 trianglesoup

Deck name is on point as always

17 Dec 2015 FarCryFromHuman

@x3r0h0ur: Honestly I don't think Troll + Heinlein is all that janky. Heinlein is strong with bioroids, Ash is always solid, and Troll is undervalued and always nice on centrals. Any time you can combine them, they are stronger than their constituent pieces. All three have nice synergy with ST. It's good advice, IMO.

17 Dec 2015 Pilltechre

Ryon Knight to punish runners trying to run late to mitigate the Brain-taping?

17 Dec 2015 Pilltechre

Also with Celebrity Gift, potentially all you would have to do is show it to them.

Just a thought.

17 Dec 2015 slobad31

@FarCryFromHuman So, what you're saying is...they're stronger together? Eh? Eh? cough

I'm with @gumonshoe on this one. I think Ravana will be a boon to these builds.

18 Dec 2015 RubbishyUsername

@FarCryFromHuman Ehhhhh I think it's probably more janky than you think. One key aspect of the Troll Heinlein combo is that you have Surveillance Sweep to secure some loss runner side. Otherwise, it's a bit like boosting an Ash 2X3ZB9CY trace: they can always come back later if you sink 20 creds into it. Here the most likely solution is to load up a Kati Jones - a resource that's already extremely effective against Foodcoats - before running in. Besides, I'd always be concerned about Parasitesucker on a Troll.

If anything, and I know it's super boring, but I think the technically correct place for that influence if anywhere is Caprice Nisei.

How's the Project Wotan working out over something like Hades Fragment?

18 Dec 2015 CodeMarvelous

Lots of good feeback. I need to try to get trolls in here and as always with criminals on the rise I need better ways to survive the early game

18 Dec 2015 moistloaf

Honestly I think ST works best in a Foodcoats shell. Play 6 sexbots 3 BBG for money; forget about Warehouse. IMO you absolutely need Caprice to score agendas; Gift also has anti-synergy with Melange. I think Heinlein is bloat but these are all just my opinions. ST may gain some traction with the coming HB Operation that installs and makes you money, since the problem with ST in my experience is that you're losing tempo while setting up, unlike ETF.