Red Coats 3.0

Oh what a day, what a lovely day!

I was literally just looking over the previous version and wondering what to adjust. This looks positively bonkers, I'll be trying it out ASAP.

I really like your insights about the agenda choices. It has somewhat opened my eyes. I'm curious why you chose Data Pike over Enigma. I find 3 rez Cost more reasonable and a click loss as good as 2 credits. Especially because u dont play many assets that also drain money from the runner. And don't you find 4 strenght 2 code Gates too much? Yog doesnt care at all und with net real eyes in the pipeline he might get played more regulary.

High Five for your cool deck! Dippy

I had a similar question about the code gate choice. Yog.0 has been coming back (in my meta at least) and with NRE will be more prevalent. IQ would seem like a reasonable replacement that might rezzable for similar cost but be brought up past yog.0. Firewall is an interesting choice but with bastion at 4/4 and wall of static at 3/3 is it worth the 2 influence? Is atman at 4 the fear with Bastion which would seem comparable and influence free.
What are your thoughts on the NEXT suite? Too prone to parasite?

The thing about Fire Wall is that, if you really need to, you can advance it. Personally, though, I think I would prefer Hive in that spot, as it is great at taxing Cerberus "Lady" H1 counters and makes scoring the first 5/3 much easier. It is also not eaten by D4v1d. Just a thought, although I do think that Fire Wall is underrated.

In terms of ice, do you not think you are a little weak to Atman? Yes, I know, that Katman has dropped out of favour a little bit but with your current set up a rig of Atman at 2 and 4, Mimic and Datasucker will cause you a world of pain. Yes Turing does help, but they will be packing Parasite.

As far as economy goes, have you considered Melange Mining Corp. in the Peak Efficiency slot? I think it is one of the strongest cards around at the moment. Yes, it is anti-synergistic with the HB ability, but it will certainly help you with the Tollbooth rez. The other option would be Successful Demonstration, which will help you bounce back after a, for example, Tollbooth rez. I find that Peak Efficiency always ends up clogging my hand too early in the game :S May just be me and my bad luck.

Great deck though; suggestions are just personal preference really.

Looks like Atman on 5 is a bigger worry in this deck, but there are enough variations in ice to handle it.

Thoughts on Oaktown Grid? It combines well with Adonis/DBS/Ash, although space is very tight in this deck.

Thanks ``@Nordrunner` ! I like it and i'll try this deck ASAP !

@Nordrunner, How often are you running the ABTs? If it's rarely to not at all, I would strongly consider replacing them with Vitruvius An overadvanced Vitruvius is deceptively powerful; it allows you to recur valuable upgrades, restart ELP after a score, hide agendas in archives without relying on Jackson, and pull out some extra economy in a pinch.

At the same time, I can see that 19 ice gives you a lot of opportunity to get some free ice out there, which certainly advances your gameplan.

I like this...at first glance it seems pretty basic but there is allot going on. I have coopted this as a template for my hb test decks. I made a couple changes more or less out of preference. Right now I am really obsessed with Breaker Bay Grid I have also put 2 caprice in because I don't like having friends. With those changes there is some alterations to the ICE suite. Thanks for the updated deck!

How fast does this deck play? Did you need to pair it with a faster runner deck?

Great deck. I played against this in our local league last week and lost, though I was with a mildly janky Whizzard deck and 2-3 more turns would have been trouble.

I played it again with my tournament Kate deck, and ended up winning by a slim margin. The point about the difference between having four to having 5 points is huge. My opponent hit two quick ABTs, and had a massive server, but I was able to ignore his bluffs and slam his R&D instead of going down the server. I scored all 7 points off of R&D, seeing around 14 cards there, and an additional 7 from HQ.

Important note: If you are hitting DBS a ton, be careful with Jackson. Your agenda density in R&D gets pretty horrendous when the game goes late, and it makes for some easy decisions for multi-access shapers in the late game. It may be worth holding an agenda or two if they have recently popped a Legwork.

Is Fire Wall really worth the 4 influence? Do you advance it? Wouldn't Bastion be very similar to Fire Wall but without the influence investment?

Hello, old friend! It's been a while. Glad to see you're doing well as the corp and kicking butt at World tournaments. I agree with your philosophy on 3-point agendas. The proof is in the success!

Best wishes, bourgman

3x Datapike? And a Enigma? Not worried about Yog? I found that running more than 2 or 3 natively yog-able ice has backfired hard in enough games to just avoid it.

I like the list mostly. I just dont like playing the advance game so much anymore.

Why Markus over Wall of Static? and what is your opinion on a 1x Agg Secretary (to enhance the remote game) or 1x Corp Troubleshooter (to compliment Ash, and to force Architect/Ichi to happen)?

A lot of questions... There are 2 ways of looking at ICE, is it effective early such that it can create a strong advantage if they faceplant it. And is it effective all game long. I confess that the majority of this deck was built pre Net-Ready Eyes, it that it could eventually swing the amount of code gates I play. However, to have Code gates that can be broken by Yog is not an inherent weakness if you have other ways to cover, I.E. strong Code Gates, Destroyers, and strong taxing barriers. To have a runner faceplant a Datapike early can cost them a couple turns of being able to get a Yog out. That can often give me the breathing room to rush a 3 pointer. Everything is within context, which is why it is often difficult to address so many questions and suggestions. I like Datapike simply for the early game face check value, always have. If they are playing something other than Yog, it's a minimum 2 credit break usually for every run.

I think I will consider switching to vitruvius over Accelerated Beta Test. They are both powerful, but there is also a little bluff value on a single advanced vitruvius. They might not think they can score it if its an NAPD.

Fire Wall is a great value, and it does have the chance to be advanced. There are occasions where this is really powerful. But mostly its cheap (for strength) and fairly taxing even at 5 strength. Bastion is great, but is another 4 strength card to be in the Atman sweet spot. If NRE is going to be very prevalent, I think Fire Walls value only goes up.

Peak Efficiency is good, you occasionally have to use it earlier than you like, but late game it can win you games. Allows for a quick credit recovery/boost and scoring in Ash remote.

This is a living card game, so you ought to have some of your own preferences. I think playing caprice for example is completely viable. Eliminates the advantage if the runner gets ahead credit wise. I was surprised this made deck of the week. I am glad you all like it.

Why not Viper over Datapike? Meta call due to high trace runners?

Viper is STR 4, More fodder for 4tman

I've seen ITD used in bootcamp glacier. I've been playing this deck since @Nordrunner posted this. (Took it to the Santa Clara regional.) I "always" lost to a 3 point snipe at that tournament, but later in the tournament figured out how to use DBS to put everything at the bottom. Ended up winning my last two corp games... Once people figure out that I'm just taxing them, they Opus or Kati up and wait to see a double advance. Would ITD be a good include? Have DBS in a scoring remote and build up ITD until you're ready to score? Just a random thought... Late games are getting harder to close. Been winning lots of games with this deck but just want to find new ways to battle rich shapers or big Kati runs

I run a singleton Biotic Labor and that's been helping me close out when I'm at 5 points. Sometimes I'll be at 4 and look for a window to I,A what looks like NAPD, but is really a 3 pointer. Biotic out for the win if they don't bite.

@Nordrunner thanks for the game tonight. I would really appreciate if you could look over my LL decks and offer some advice. Thank you.