Haandy Sandburg

Seems like a solid deck!

So whats the plan against criminala/shaper who after early pressure and poking sits back and wait with all the Councilmen and Political Operatives installed?

@konradhStrength is too high for more than one run. Which at the same time makes me wonder what you do with only 1 Caprice. I guess you have to rely on them not going for the winning agenda at that point so that you can install your upgrades. have them Councilmaned and then reinstall with Archived or something.

What I am worried about is not only early pressure, but th fact that it runs so little upgrade defenses. I would go with x2 Jackson Howard and -3 Eli 1.0 in order to do another Caprice. Just play another piece of ICE that will benefit from thsi whole ordeal. If anything, Eli 1.0 can be clicked through.

What I don't agree with is Magnet. They are not going to Parasite your NEXT Bronze. They will be parasiting your NEXT Silver which is more likely to die early game due to you not being at more than 20-25 credits. A smart runner will have it set up by then with a datasucker or something up to 2/3 in order to run and burn it down. Sure, Archived Memories saves the day here, but how many things can you protect, rez and install at the same time. You are not that rich in Clicks if you are trying to go for getting money (to pump that strength up) install things, get things back from the trash AND score agendas. Unless you are relying on going super late game.

I love the idea of Sandburg though and I would love to see it work. Would mean we have one more thing to worry about in Glacier builds which is awesome in my opinion. Will make for metas with more variety in runner builds. (Return of Morning Star anyone?)

@konradhThe game plan against those situations is the same as its always been. Against criminal, block off servers to deny sec test, Caprice Nisei on HQ and rez Ash 2X3ZB9CY during your turn so councilman does nothing.

@Kelfecil Do you really think the second caprice is worth 3x Eli 1.0?

@Kelfecil I am still testing. If I find I need more Caprice Nisei I will make a change, but right now I am not having an issue.

@CodeMarvelousI agree with @Kelfecil here. ELi seems anti-synergistic. Strenght 6 ELI? ok, click through. Vanilla or Quicksand would be just as good in that slot I believe, given the Sandburg plan. Even a Batty instead of Caprice if you want to keep that 3rd Jackson would help I believe.

But I havent tried the deck at all yet, so what do I know?

@Conphas @Kelfecil I would probably take Wall of Static over Vanilla

Glad to see Sandburg / NEXT being recognized for what it is. Been working on this very sort of deck for over a week now, and the final product is not too far from this (No Caprice, not necessary later on).

You will struggle against efficient / early setup Panchashooter / Stealth, though, so stack those Ice against those builds. However, I've faced so many concedes with this deck, its...

MARVELOUS.

;)

Here's my build, since we made a few different choices:

netrunnerdb.com

I've been playing a similar deck and am loving it so far. Sandburg is going to be the king of glacier. It's working very well in HB, Palana, Blue Sun, and RP so far.

I agree with the above people that Eli, while a great card, once it gets to a really high strength people click through. Which is fine since it means they will only make 1 run a turn, but I'd prefer the wall of static to make the runs as financially taxing as possible. Also, given how rich the deck can be (I've had +11 strength on my ice frequently), I find a surprise Brainstorm can easily reach 7 or 8 strength the turn it's rezzed.

Lastly, I think you still want at least 1 CVS. Anarchs took a hit from the MWL, but they aren't gone and parasite/datasucker/imp are still going to be around.

I'm also testing a version with Full Immersion RecStudio so I only need to build 1 remote instead of two. Executive Boot Camp helps to search them out and helps against the Val match-up. Unfortunately this version means no Caprice which makes me sad.

Man is that gif at the top of your description ever irritating

This is where im at with Sandy in HB… meteor.stimhack.com

The main difference are in the ICE composition and in additional tech/money cards.

Firstly ICE: In my opinion you don’t want any ICE that is clickable because that negates the point of having the additional strength. If you do go for bioroids I would go heavier on them and import a Heinlein Grid or two. In my build I have gone for the cheaper Vanillas over Magnet (the conditional ability never really comes into play to justify itself), Rototurrets instead of Turings punishing the face check with a hard ETR making it the best ICE in the deck, and a cheeky Brainstorm because Im not a nice person (its probably better to be a NEXT Gold).

Money: Sandy needs money, a lot of it. Full complement of campaigns + op econ is vital.

Tech: No Ash because its really anti-synergistic with your money plan, you wont want to be paying into a trace in which case its really not taxing enough to work, it’s also a weaker card these days with link runners and hoppers everywhere. EBC because blackmail is prevalent, you can rez all your NEXTs with it to make a GOLD rez worthwhile and you can search for Sandy / Jackson / Campaign with it - a super versatile card. Crisium: Because siphon, apocalypse or polop are really going to ruin your day.

@rogedavi That list looks interesting. I like the econ set up. how is it working?

I found having to devote ICE to defending multiple remotes problematic, as the ID is not defensive like Gaga/RP/IG is. Sandy is quite binary - either you have the game locked or you fail miserably. You live and die by the econ.

Also ICE placement is quite critical. D4v1d will make a mockery of your servers, so ensure the most important ones are guarded by multi-sub ICE (Silver). These being HQ (to stop polop), Scoring Remote & the Sandy remote. Im tempted to test 2xNavi Grid over Caprice actually for this reason - the nonbo with BBG seems irrelevant given that BBG belongs in econ servers.

I have a Grail/Sandburg deck I'm working on, glad everyone's seeing how bonkers this asset can get. No one likes dealing with an 8 strength Merlin/NEXT Gold/Whatever XD.

Do you think Biotic Labor would be a good addition since you'll usually have the money to score that final agenda if you need to?

@skydivingninja I want Biotic Labor But dem slots is tight

From my experience Vanilla is too good to not include in this deck. 0 + ETR? It's tasty.

@ClubbingSealCub

Have been further testing and the inclusion of Batty makes this feel a lot stronger. Use it on roto or Next Gold and against 2/3rds of runners thats GG.

Latest build: netrunnerdb.com

I highly suggest including a Brainstorm.

The satisfaction of emptying their grip and mind... Its... priceless.

Also, you can easily take the risk of -2 Hedge / +2 Restructured. I rarely have a problem firing them at some point.

But I'm a jank player, so why listen to me?

Also, where the **** is your Mother Goddess???

Have you considered trying out Navi Mumbai Grid instead of the Caprice? It will ruin a lot of Shapers' days, and it make D4v1d a non-issue on whatever server you stick it on. Doesn't have the psi-stopping power of Caprice, but it suits Sandberg so very very well.

@Lynx Kuroneko MOTHER OF GODDESS you're right! She becomes hella taxing with Sandburg, making up for her drawback of the runner usually having the right breaker.

To think this list made Deck of the Week and it doesn't even have Mother Goddess, like mine does. Maybe I should have used an annoying gif, too. :(

Having your own YouTube channel and being a well recognized name in the community helps too

@magikot Stating the obvious doesn't. :P

This is complete BS. Lynx has been basically spamming us with Sanburg decks and its obvious that he has dedicated his life to the card and once again Code Marvelous gets the deck list of the week. It seems to me like there is too much bias towards the name rather than the actual deck.

Of COURSE there's bias towards the name. What, people are supposed to be excited about the cards? Yay, another super strong low cost high trash cost asset. Whoopee.

Ain't nobody here for that. They're here for the lonely island gif.

Youre right @pandaman64shame on me.

Wait. Am I angry because codemarvelous made a deck? Or because people liked that deck? Or because people find gifs funny? Getting confused. Can't I just be outraged at ISIS? Much less confusing.

@Conphas The deck you're looking for is here: netrunnerdb.com

@stimmyrobbinsthanks for the vote of confidence but I'm okay with this; its a community standard thing. We can only do our best out in the wild. :)

@magikotYou can always put the EBC in the scoring remote until you've rezzed up decent chunk of the NEXT. Once the count gets to four or five it's really done the job. If you see a window you can overwrite the EBC and install one into a new remote when the next one comes. I've found in the late mid-game often the EBC get's left alone because the runner has way to many things to do... keeping up with econ to afford accessing the sandburg server and trashing it as well as any breaker-eve's in play... running the scoring remote to keep you honest... They can easily become so taxed on credits and clicks they just can't afford to trash EBC. Definately go with at least one Mother goddess though I think with EBC.

So @kiv has been doing a great job with this deck on his channel. 3 for 3 wins so far.

www.youtube.com

@CyberzackI think EBC is a trap in this kind of deck. If you think about it, all it's actually doing is making you 1 conditional credit a turn (ie for rezzing ICE only), with, yes, the benefit of searching for Sandburg. I don't think the increased vulnerability to Parasite (NEXT's main weakness) is worth it - I'd rather just have more/better ICE.

@SneakdoorMelbThe reason i threw in EBC wasn't much related to the economy although it's nice - Its about getting all the Next rezzed as quickly as possible so they become less vulnerable to parasite and cutlery. A good dumbleforked player will probably force you to rez some ice early anyway so it's not like your going to be able to deny them a valid target for long.

A huge added benefit is that EBC craps on all blackmail decks, and can be helpful against leela as well.