TWIY Astrobiotics

The lack of comments is deafening, the deck is good though, really good.

GJ.

Thanks! My guess is that people are commenting about it on my BGG thread? Though I'm more than happy to talk about it here.

Thanks! My guess is that people are commenting about it on my BGG thread? Though I'm more than happy to talk about it here.

Any replays on youtube? I'm shocked this deck has enough money to fund Biotic or SanSan with just 6 operations as economy.

No, I don't have the processing power to record, sadly. 6 econ doesn't seem like enough, but with how fast this deck draws and its small size, it's been plenty. If you need to click for money (typically in games where you haven't seen your econ unless you've rezzed too many ice) draw instead to find your econ. Pop-Ups are a valid consideration as well.

I'm playing a very similar deck with a couple of Jacksons to get Agendas out of my hand and recycle my operation economy. Also Popup/Paper Wall + RSVP works quite nicely.

A lot of the time I find I just need to use the biotics + astro script. I use the city grids to bate the runner and make them spend the credits to trash it. Also 3x Shipment from SanSan meaning I can still score agendas even after an account syphon.

I've had some bad experiences against Keyhole but other than that it's a solid deck.

Brutal, I never want to play against this stuff. Any good stories about how runners have been able to outpace this deck? Nice call with the bluffing tag n bag, love it.

My favorite recent game was against a Reina Roja deck all-in on Account Siphon and increasing rez costs/splashing de-rez. It took a minute for her to get set up, so I was able to score two Astroscripts and keep their tokens. Then I got siphoned, putting me at zero. Next turn I scored a Profiteering out of hand thanks to Shipment from SanSan and an Astroscript token, so I elected to gain 10c. Later I sacrificed that Profiteering to an Archer on HQ to blow up her rig, and the rest is history. Still, it was an exhilarating match.

Doesn't this deck just die pretty hard against shaper or knight criminal?

Nope, Shaper takes far too long to set up and it's easy to counter Knight.

Played more games with the deck, against Knight Gabe. The game where he got his siphon in early and kept on siphoning me was lost. 3 other games where I managed to score an astroscript, I won. Astro is the most vital card in the deck. If you score it, keep on the pressure, you will probably win eventually.

Knight Gabe is strong but the thing is to get the first siphon in. If this does not happen early, or you get money, then the things get easier for you.

Whoot! This deck won the Atomic Goblin Store Championship in Longmont on 3/9/14.

Reina Roja deck all-in on Account Siphon and increasing rez costs/splashing de-fez

@Lysander, I'd actually like to see that deck as well. What was in that?

No idea on specifics, but it was pretty standard: 3 Account Siphon, 3 SOT, 3 Crescentus, Xanadu, Rook, Darwin. It was too slow and inconsistent to be competitive.

Also congrats to the winner of that tournament!

@quizoid I'd actually love to see a tournament recap or the winner's decklists if they're public anywhere!

How do you deal with decks that run The Source?

Great question. Simply place a Breaking News naked on the table. Either the runner scores it or you do next turn. Regardless of the outcome, The Source will be trashed. Plus it can't stay out if the runner wants to run through the Data Ravens.

Assuming you take out Data raven because of your meta. Do you advocate NAPD Contract replacing Market Research. You'll only be able to score it if you don't have any BP from profiteering in most cases.

Yes, the three foreseeable changes I want to make are Enigma for Quandary, Market Research for NAPD Contact, and that 4/2 sentry ETR that can't be bypassed for Data Ravens.

This deck is so good that sucks. My god, I will play this for sure. Will probably try to add Panic Button as single defense agains Account Siphon.

What's the deal with Chimera in this deck? Is it just there as an option to score an Agenda behind early game?

Pretty much. I'm not absolutely crazy about them, but my in-faction ice choices are limited and it isn't terrible since it at least synergizes with Archer/Rototurret.

I really like this. I've always been a fan of the 40 min decks for both runners/corps. So I've been playing with this ID. What do you think of harmony medtech/silhouette??

I'm pretty damn sure Medtech will be the best ID in the deluxe expansion, and as Jinteki is my primary faction, I intend to test all archetypes among all IDs quite extensively.

I like Silhouette, but I fear her ability lacking any advantage in tempo will cause her to lose momentum relatively early on.

Shoot @Lysander, last night @AKAnderson and I built this to test it against various runners and we couldn't beat any aggro account siphon decks with it, or a Kit/Cypher deck. Maybe we just aren't understanding the rules of engagement with this type of strategy.

What are your opening moves and how long will you try to draw into your Astros before it's dangerous? Keeping Gabe and Knight Whizzard out of HQ for more than one turn seemed very difficult with this deck.

I have a feeling we just aren't used to this deck's play-style and we're much more adept at playing the runners we faced it up with...IDK

Similar issues as Heartthrob above. Played this deck 4 times last night and lost 3. Played against a Noise mill deck (Won 1, lost 1) and against a fast Kate deck with parasites and fixed breakers/datasuckers (Lost both). Every single game I was flooded with agendas that I could not get out safely. Only 1 of the 4 games did I see the Biotic Labor's and then I was too poor to use it. I mulliganed for the Astro/Biotic every time and it didn't work. Even the game I won was a last minute mistake by the runner to hit R&D instead of HQ (5 agendas in hand).

My honest opinion after playing: too small for how many agendas are in this deck. And maybe my meta (Seattle) is just to used to FA to give me any time to deal with this many agendas coming into HQ. Bah, it was honestly depressing. I LOVE the idea, but I think it needs 4 more cards, either ICE or money.

After several playtests this deck requires a lot of luck to win with and you either super win or super lose. and if you get a bad opening hand its more often than not super lose the ice evaporates.

I like play NBN sice I have started playing Netrunner and I love TWIY* but I think only 40 cards is too little conmparacion with agenda's density. I think 42 is a middle ground between the 40 and 44 (and also is the meaning of the universe XD)

IMO, I would change: -2 Data Raven +2Toollbox -1Archer -2Rototurret +3Grim -1SanSan City Grid +1 Biotic Labours Add -> +2 Jackson Howard

With 3 Botic you have more likely see one at the beginning, and also is more cheap than SSCG

Grim makes the same impact as archer and rototurret... destroy the breacker you want to win more time.

Finally, 42 card allow you to include 2 Jackson that save your ass without lossing the speed Anonymous Trip gives you

If you lose with this deck, you are not being aggressive enough. Whizzard/Gabe need a Knight and Siphon first turn to succeed, and even then you can trash the hosted ice and re-ice HQ. Plus SanSan City Grid mitigates Siphon as well if rezzed mid-run.

This deck forc

This deck forces players to learn about timing windows in regards to when to score, how long to sit on economic operations (hint, sit on a Sweeps Week if you expect an impending Siphon), and when not to rez ice.

This deck forces players to learn about timing windows in regards to when to score, how long to sit on economic operations (hint, sit on a Sweeps Week if you expect an impending Siphon), and when not to rez ice.

Anybody have a video of playing this deck successfully? That might help out.

I'll see what I can do about posting a video by Tuesday or so. No promises though, I'm relatively unfamiliar with the recording and editing process and I'm not certain my computer can handle it anyways.

Account Siphon and R&D pressure own this deck unless they are afraid of scorched...which they aren't after they see the first biotic in HQ. We have had people testing this a bunch and it is wildly inconsistent and susceptible to parasites, SMC decks that can grab any breaker and all aggro decks really. IDK, in practice we couldn't get wins in more than 1 in 4 games...

I really don't know what to tell you other than I'll fervently try to get a video recorded and uploaded.

This deck has won four different store championships (congrats guys!) and I think that says more for this deck than I ever can.

However silly or simple the deck might seem, i always catch myself making wrong moves that actually cost me the game. There are various plays with San San rezed and one Astro open. Just take your time and consider all the possible moves. Keep in mind that you can always score a 3 cost agenda in only two cliks (install and advance) if you have a san san rezed and an Astro counter. Imagine having only 1 credit, playing and rezing Profiteering for 15 creds and spend the creds on double biotic to score the next agenda and win. Situations like these come all the time if you have the first Astro down, the priority of this deck!

@Hearrhtob, Account siphon and RnD pressure own pretty much any deck IMHO.

I meant Account Siphon and RnD pressure as two separate strategies, not one that does both. And I don't think they own every deck. NBN tag decks fend off account siphon nicely.

Only one solution here. Those people who claim it's inconsistent just too weak should play Lysander piloting this deck on OCTGN ;)

Lysander, I know quandary probably made it into your deck. What about corporate shuffle?

Lysander, my comments were premature. This deck is very formidable, I now pilot two versions of it and it consistently does well. Very nice. I do like Quandry in this deck now...

Why is sansan more important for the starting hand against gabe than against other runners? Is it to get the agendas out of hand earlier because of sneakdoor?

It's because you can rez SanSan in response to a siphon and not lose credits while creating an opportunity to score from hand on your turn

I love bringing this deck to events, takes so many people completely unaware when it goes from 0-7 in like 2-3 turns. One major caveat: don't bother with this deck against your friends or regular playgroup. It relies heavily (in my experience) on the surprise effect; for example, players who know your strategy and know you don't have any real tag punisment will fly through your ice and either strip your hand, R&D lock, or both.

TLDR: great deck for one-off games, don't expect to win a second game against that player though.

I have been looking for a rush deck to try out; MAN I LOVE THIS DECK! I played 4 games with it tonight, and won 3 of them. I lost the one game because I did not secure my R&D early, and they scored three consecutive agendas. Interestingly, I have yet to play SanSan City Grid; it either sits in my hand or ends up in my discard pile. Amazing deck @Lysander! Thank you for sharing it.

Any other suggestions for decks to check out if we like rush-style decks, like this one?

@Lysander, I am thinking of removing the single Market Research and change it to either a piece of ICE or an economy card.

That way, it lowers the agenda density (exactly 1/4 of the deck will be agendas), and that extra piece of ICE can be used to better defend central servers that are oftentimes under attack early turns.

Thoughts...?

One last thing... :P How have games been for you since swapping in Quandary, Guard and NAPD Contract?

@Fl3xbyts this deck is pretty ancient at this point (last post was like 8 months ago, almost a year for the OP)...

obviously a lot of these NBN tricks never really get "bad" --indeed, there is a reason they've been one of the winningest factions for a long, long time-- but better ones do come along, and I think NEH just does the rush deck better than TWIY.

There's still a place for this ID, check out netrunnerdb.com for a great example, but I just can't see justifying this ID in a rush deck with 5 less influence and a wholly inferior ID ability.