My First Tenma

famebyproxy 111

My first Tenma deck, and I'd love some feedback. I've had some good luck on OCTGN so far and am hoping to get some insight to tune it up.

Nothing to crazy, I don't think, but so far it's a quick rig to set up and I tend to have great money and efficient breakers. Here are some considerations:

  • No Plascretes + AS = Scary. Might add two in, and remove...

  • Kati Jones. Doesn't feel synergistic or necessary (in the 5 games I've played so far, I never put her out, and never needed to). That said, she's the only permanent source of cash flow, so I'm a little afraid to take her out completely.

  • I want a 3rd Desperado for Christmas

Thanks for input!

8 comments
9 Jul 2014 Manjusri

Good games! I'm really glad I got to play against this deck!

  • Three Inside Jobs seems overkill to me, good as it is, especially when you have two Planned Assaults as well as SoT.

  • Public Terminals are only for runs while your PPVPs are all-event and can be used on a total of 9 more cards in spite of costing one more to set up.

    • Maybe +1 PPVP -1 PT, or -2 PTs to open a card slot for Plascrete, a third SoT, whatever.
  • Could just cut down to a single Kati and see if you wish you had it more often.

  • Crescentus might as well be Emergency Shutdown; it's different enough that maybe you only replace 1-2 with Emergency Shutdown.

    • Crescentus doesn't have to be in hand but does have to be installed
    • ES can be used on a server that you aren't actually running
    • Tough call either way, maybe personal preference is why you chose 3 Crescentus anyway
    • Personally, I've become comfortable enough to skip on parasites or ES on the back of Siphons in conjunction with the sheer efficiency of my breaker suite, similar to yours; I don't need to punish ICE because I'll just siphon the hell out of someone, and if they were making it too hard to siphon, I was Indexing or blowing up remotes anyway. Shaper though, so yeah.

I'm going to throw this out there: Replace 1 Gordian Blade with a Levy AR Access Lab.

You already spent the three influence. LARLA gives you back-pocket full-deck recursion. It synergizes with your PPVDs to cost you 1-3c less. It enables you to run a leaner breaker suite:

  • 1x Corroder

  • 1x Garrote

  • 1x Gordian Blade

  • 1x Faerie

That breaker suite frees up two more influence and one more card slot with the ability to Special Order a Faerie early game if need be, backed up by LARLA if things go south.

LARLA is also nice as a reset once you've already got your rig set up, further justifying the removal of 1-2 Katis depending on how reliance on econ event recursion feels for you.

Finally, there's no need to actually wait to play it after you mill yourself. Even if you draw it early, ditch it into your archives. You can use your last Same Old Thing to play it whenever you feel like the time is right/you just played a lot of your econ early and want to draw 5 cards while restoring the econ cards/whatever.

That all said, you clearly got a handle on this deck as-is! I look forward to running against you sometime!

9 Jul 2014 famebyproxy

Great playing with you @Manjusri! All good thoughts – I'll play around with a few of the changes...especially regarding Inside Job, PPVP, and Crescentus.

I'm not sure about ditching the second Gordian (or other breakers). One of the things I've really enjoyed is how quickly I get a rig set up and I'd hate to sacrifice that for event recursion (which I already have some of with SOT). You are right, though, that I may be too reliant on event-based econ, and Levy could help me out in a pinch. I'll give it a shot and see how quickly I get set up (probably adding in a third Special Order to compensate.

Looking forward to our next match.

9 Jul 2014 famebyproxy

@Manjusri - What do you think of something like this:

This way I'm still keeping the same breaker density, at least as far as accessing centrals goes, and improving my tutoring if I really need Gordian. I'm also easing my tag-punishment concerns (less resources, Plascrete, etc.

9 Jul 2014 Manjusri

Looks solid to me! Hope you like the Levy!

Regarding PPVP, note that with the changes you just listed, you only have 8 non-zero-cost Run Event cards in your deck that Public Terminals actually help.

You have 19 total non-zero-cost Event cards (with those changes) that PPVPs can work on. My question would be: Is it worth saving 1 credit to have a half-as-potentially-useful recurring credit?

10 Jul 2014 Toobiased

I m not so sure about your econ. It seams like a taxing deck might get you low on credits early. Also installing Garrote is a huge tempo loss in this deck.

Katie seams important since she could potentially mitigate that tempo hit.

Most of your econ requires you to be able to run for

10 Jul 2014 Toobiased

Somehow half of my comment got eaten. (markdown probably didnt like my less than sign)

... less than 2 credits. Kens Credit, Account Siphon, Dirty Laundry, Desperado, Public Terminal and Security Testing all become way worse against corps who can protect themselves early.

Your only remaining econ is Sure Gamble and Katie (PAD only counts if you also have Sure Gamble).

10 Jul 2014 famebyproxy

@Manjusri - I made the PPVP and PT swap as well, just forgot to mention it. Hopefully play testing at my LGS tonight, so I'll keep you posted on how it went.

@Toobiased - I haven't had much issue with econ, as I mentioned above. Garrote isn't the tempo loss that you think, and more than makes up for it's cost against the very taxing decks that you're concerned with. I'm running the most efficient breakers against most ICE. Combined with Indexing and Legwork to maximize my central runs, those taxing servers aren't as taxing as they are for others.

If anything, I think Katie Jones is a worse tempo hit than Garrote. If you count draw, install and clicking to put credits on her, it takes her a few turns to be profitable and more to really be impactful. In the mean time, I have to be wary of tags lest she get trashed. She's just not the right fit for this deck.

Corps need to draw and pay for ICE in order to keep a runner out, and if they're paying to rez ICE on all three centrals, that's money they don't have to spend advancing agendas or doing other trickery.

16 Jul 2014 Toobiased

Mileage may vary, but your breakers are not as efficient as you might think they are. For a Taxing deck you can look at a standard CI build: Eli -> 4c Hive -> 6c Viktor 2.0 -> 5c ichii 1.0 -> 5c

There are more efficient breakers: Morning Star, Torch, Garrote fixed strength breakers (unreliable but cheaper).

What you have is a reliable rig that is pretty easy to setup. What you want to do, is leverage that into points, and making it faster to setup might be one way.

This is why I run 3 Faerie in an otherwise pretty similar deck.