Look mum, no hand! v0.1

Great idea to kill runner.

I've been messing with Cybernetics Murder too, first with the idea of Punitive Counterstrike and 3 pointers... Which sucked miserably, then with Valley... But stacking 4 deep AND have stuff to finish them off means a LOT of econ OR paper thin ICE. Paper thin ICE didn't work with 3 pointers in R&D and HQ.

The biggest problem, I've found overall, isn't in the gameplan - it's in 3 pointers. Focusing on them means that the runner is in control of the economic pace because they never have to run unless you start advancing. Sure, scoring a few Self-Destruct Chips is great, and guarantees safety in a Valley Grid, but by that time the runner has viable econ and options to multi-access wherever they want.

The biggest problem are 3 pointers. Sigh.

@tuism That's interesting, although surely the runner has no way of knowing going in what your agenda spread is?

If it's really a problem, perhaps this deck needs a couple of advanceable traps. A Cerebral Overwriter or Thomas Haas perhaps, to bait the runner in to having a go at the server. If they hit an architect you can install Hiro over the top of the trap from Archives/HQ if it's safe/they don't break. Or just let them keep going and give them the brain damage/take the money/trash a program/whatever trap you fancy.

One of the things I really wanted to do was Tech Startup to fetch Chairman Hiro. But that meant protection for the piddly 1-trash startup, on top of the Valley Grid remote (or your agendas are gonna clump and you might as well give up with all the multi-access everywhere... And Legwork destroys a 4-card hand.

@tuism I feel like that ruins the surprise a little, though! Legwork is a problem, but it's not very common in my (London) meta at least so it shouldn't be too bad.

@Dydra WAT I WILL FITE U!!!!1123one (for real though you're right)

To address the above and the fact I forgot Executive Retreat is a big pile of stinky butt I have made the following changes:

Out: -3 Executive Retreat, -1 Awakening Center, -1 Ash 2X3ZB9CY, -1 Valley Grid, -1 Interns, -1 Viktor 2.0 and -1 Janus 1.0.

In: +1 Eden Fragment, +1 Hades Fragment, +1 Utopia Fragment +2 Cerebral Overwriter, +1 Research Station, +1 Viktor 1.0, +2 Pop-up Window

Hopefully the pop-ups will provide a bit more consistent econ (it was a toss up between them and a couple of Beanstalk Royalties) but I reckon it's still probably a bit light on the old .

I did but I don't know where they'd fit. Drop the Restructures, maybe, as they need a strong econ to fire anyway? Possibly get rid of the Jacksons and use the Blue/Greens draw abilities instead?

Needs more mental health clinics.

We have a winner for best comment anyone has made on one of my decks :D

As a serious question: Valley Grid will reward deep ice, right? - this fires every time a runner breaks something, if my interpretation of the card is correct.

I made a very similar deck a few days ago. Almost identical influence, but radically different support. I liked the idea of NEXT ice in here, since gold is a potential wincon. I also went with an asset heavy version with Tech Startup to pull Hiro, although I also like the idea of safely depositing him into archives. Potentially a combination of both cards could work. I'm personally not sure 3 Valley Grid is needed, even though my list also had 3. Do note, though, that I haven't built or tested the deck either. netrunnerdb.com

@Shannon.L yes, the more ice they break the more punishing. That's why three gyri labyrinths on a scoring remote with valley grid in this deck is painful. You're damned if you do break and damned if you dont. And even more fanned if you let the Corp score out a couple of 5/3s!

@Axlotl a friend also suggested NEXT for this deck and I'm inclined to agree with both of you. I just never thought about it for some reason.

Almost all the bioroids have been replaced by NEXT ice barring the Viktor.

I think the tech startup/exec boot camp method to summon Hiro is potentially valid. I'm just a bit worried that if they know he's there they'll do everything in their power to trash him. Plus I like keeping the coup de grace a surprise!

I know it may sound far fetched but I actually had much success with first turn Fenris to force the runner to play with one brain damage early in the game. You just rez it as one of your first ice when Eli is expected and voila. The problem is handling the bad pub afterwards but maybe this deck can do it.

The only comment I can add is this - you've got a lot of hand reduction, but no coup-de-grace. Yes, Hiro is there (and I borrowed your Valley Grids for my take on this) ... but the runner's in kill range after almost every run for just the price of a neural EMP or two.

I fear you won't have the ability to stick the flatline, without some kind of direct damage to push past the runner's empty hand.

@reyda I think I prefer an early Viktor, but yeah, same basic principle I guess without the bad pub.

@Shannon.L I think that's a good shout. I've dropped a Valley Grid, a Jackson and a Pop-Up for two neural EMPs.

A thought: Shell Corp on the monster server? Even more incentive to run, and makes it much harder to trash.

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Wait, how does Chairman hiro and techstart-up work? Since you can only use tech start-up at the beginning of YOUR turn, even if the runner was within striking range, wouldn't they have already passed their discard down to hand size window?