Goodbye to You. Card Kingdom Store Championship 1st Place

Congrats on the well-deserved win! This deck is a monster!

Loved seeing this deck tonight. I ran the blue sun/maxx against you and this was a delightful change of meta. I love seeing jank at the top tables. My hat is off to you sir.

I really love the idea of this deck! Well done. Top jank.

Ty for sharing this. Something tells me that Au Revoir was not that bad. Now I know what it was. Ty.

Right. I did mean unprotected server, I just have a nasty habit of calling them empty. Often, the best target is archives, since who ices archives against shaper?

Glacier decks are generally the strongest matchups for this deck. Once I'm confident they're not trying to fast advance something, I can ease the pressure and focus on rig building and making stupid amounts of money. Since I have no HQ pressure outside of Vamp, I'll leave HQ ice unrezzed and continually snitch it and jack out, making runs approximately every other turn on R&D depending upon how often they click to draw.

Neural EMP -and- Power Shutdown. Power Shutdown in particular is a bit of a bother, but since clone chips are almost exclusively used as extra SMCs, it's not unusual to have extras to bring your Au Revoir back when they get trashed.

@gotsanity I really enjoyed those games too. Even when you flatlined me with that insane overwriter.

NEH usually has remotes, so that's not a bother. If they score an Astro, it sucks, but you can lock down R&D more easily than most other corps. Against Tennin fast advance, R&D can be a more casual affair, as they need a lot more time and tools than most other FA decks. Atlas Train can be a problem though. Luckily, this deck can run itself pretty well as a standard stimshop CT for a few early turns and pressure R&D hard. FA is not a great matchup overall though. You basically have to win out of R&D, which turns into a game of chance in many cases.

Very nice deck :) Since you say memory's too tight to mention, are you tempted to just go YOLO and ditch the Plascretes/Filter for some Akamatsus?

@lolpacaNo way, haha. Feedback Filter and Plascrete have saved me so many times vs PE and Blue Sun respectively. Honestly, I'm really leaning towards replacing a single Clone Chip with a single Akamatsu. I've got no disposable programs save SMC, so Clone Chip is actually not tremendously important. The single extra memory in the late game allows me to keep Atman on the table (I often install it off of Workshop for early accesses, then trash it when the rest of the suite comes online) while its mere existence increases the chances of having enough early memory to break through most servers.

I did once try going yolo without Plascrete, but I found that if I want to run at least semi-often, I'm likely to drop below Blue Sun's insane credit-potential, even with my ridiculous economy.

@afishisborn this is so slick. sweet idea.

@afishisborn This looks great - Two quick questions:

Are big sentries a problem? Paying to break Archer with Femme is a bit urgh.

Is Atman going down at strength 4? Sorry, haven't really used Atman before but I understand this is the way to go.

Cheers

So can you jack out with Snitch on rezzed ICE? What my question really is: can you still click for 3 creds with 1 rezzed ice on each central and no remotes? Also: Can they rez when you snitch? I'm guessing not but timing windows always seem hard to navigate.

@StLion: No to all of your questions. Snitch does not interact with rezzed ICE, and getting locked out in the manner you suggest is therefore theoretically possible. They cannot rez the ICE while you expose it with Snitch IF you jack out.

@StarryVeck

The point of this deck's combo is to generate absurd amounts of money. So yes, femme is expensive and inefficient, but it's ability is very useful, you can stimhack it into play off the workshop/smc and the increased cost should be ok when you're clicking for 3 credits at a time.

There are a lot of widely used good ice at str 4, but I assume atman is @afishisborn's silver bullet, that counters anything giving him/her trouble (such as the archer you mentioned). He/she also mentioned above that atman can be used for early accesses, as it can be installed off the workshop to break any ice, regardless of subtype.

@TheBizarreBioroid Exactly what you said. Most games, Atman doesn't come out at all, but when it does, it's usually clutch and often secures a win. Nebula and Grim giving you problems? Atman. Archer and Asteroid Belt? Atman.

Spending 12 credits to break through an Archer is pretty bad, but then, it's only 4 credits more than it would take a Garrote, which is arguably the most efficient regular killer out there. Archer is just a problem for everyone, and it's not a good test of a killer's ability.

How essential is Stimhack? I know it plays well with Personal Workshop and helps to get the econ engine out, but I'm thinking you could go -2 Stim, -1 Snowball, +1 Corroder, +2 Akamatsu to smooth out those memory issues. Maybe it's just my aversion to Stimhack talking though :P

I really like this list!! Would probably want a Legwork over a Vamp though as there's no HQ pressure really. I don't play much with Vamp though, is it necessary?

@lolpaca Honestly, I'm not sure how important Stimhack is. It's nice to see early, especially if Sure Gambles have not been forthcoming, but once my engine is set up, credits are not hard to come by honestly. If I took out the Stimhacks, I might take some ideas from an earlier build that ran Doppelganger instead of Box-E and find room for a few Akamatsus. That build didn't have the draw power nor the workshops and hence took far too long to set up, but Doppelganger was really strong, and I'd like to give it another whirl. Run R&D and make 12 credits? Yes please.

@Mr Plague Legwork vs Vamp is a struggle. Vamp with tons of credits is really good against RP, allowing you to break into a Caprice server without having to worry about psi game shenanigans. At the same time, econ this good puts the fear of Jebus into many corps, and agendas do tend to pile in hand a bit. I think they're both great, and I wish I had the influence for each.

Played a few games tonight and it is a beast indeed. Even on the game when I got majorly deck-screwed and it took til about turn 7 or 8 to set up, I was still able to put on enough pressure that I wasn't just twiddling my thumbs.

I really feel like it needs a couple of Akamatsus though: so many times I wanted to SMC and was 1 mem off. I think maybe Daily Cats could be dropped too, and I'm not mad on Femme as the only killer.

Stimhack and Vamp are both nice and did good work tonight, but I'm gonna try a few variations and see how they play out. Definitely a lot of fun to tinker with!

Michelle Branch reference? :)

@lolpacaHave fun experimenting! There are lots of possibilities I have yet to explore here.

@TheRyanBurke Scandal dude. '82. Kids these days.... :p

Also, I love it, I'm going to have to give it a whirl.

Another week, another mind-blowing and unique Shaper deck. I love this.

Now please help me get that damn song out of my head.

I often pack 2 plascretes myself but with 3 diesel, 2 qt and 40 card deck do you need both you think? Against weyland would it make more sense to just 1 stimhack once and find the plascrete (probably fairly quickly) ? Might free up space for a 3rd RDI or Makers Eye, etc.

A single Plascrete is doable, but not finding it early can paralyze you against many Weyland builds. What I would prefer is to run one Plascrete and one Utopia Shard, which I took out from the prior version along with a third Stimhack to make room for Vamp. Honestly, I think I prefer the Shard, as it gives me a decent way to pressure HQ in matchups where Scorch is not a threat.

What's the jank factor on switching Box-E to Monolith? Best case it saves you 3 clicks of installing (at 3 per click) and 12 on install costs, which is actually a profit on installing your memory! Even in a more tame case of two installs for 7 (Atman/Snitch plus any one breaker) you're still effectively only paying 5 for 3MU.

@Fry that is so goddam janky. I love it

Congratz !

@FryIf you can get it to work, you would be my hero. I tried running a variant of Big Girls Play With Monoliths, but it felt like there was too much anti-synergy, as a third of the programs available to pitch to Freelance were parts of the econ engine that I wanted on the board instead.

Have you considered switching the Box-E out for The Toolbox? Same MU, and once you have your terrifying combo pieces out you shouldn't take much of a tempo hit to install it. Unless you really feel like you need the extra hand size it seems like a good option given that it also gives you influence back and other nice bonuses.

I thought of Toolbox too (going to make it work in something dammit ...). But if you're stimhacking your brains out to setup then the hand size does help. Plus the re-occurring credits aren't needed with the econ engine up. The link would be useful in certain situations but probably can just laugh at traces with your giant piles of goodbye-money. Probably the best reason would be to save the influence for another HQ attack option (but I guess you do need a server you never want the ice rezzed on :)

I recently switched to Toolbox in my version of this and so far it's working like a champ. Also, Rachel Beckman is turning into a surprise MVP considering I just tossed her in because I had a spare point of influence.

@lolpaca Beckman is a good call. I've taken out Vamp and the Daily Casts for a CyberSolutions Mem Chip, Net Shield and a New Angeles City Hall. CMC means you can get that Atman out alongside your full Snitch/Au Revoir set-up, and all your other breakers (and Net Shield). Net Shield is there as I got beasted by a PE deck at the weekend and the thought of smashing into R&D with a boatload of money and being all YOLO up in that hizzle is too amazing. NACH will be nice to draw and if it comes out and finds it way to the table alongside Net Shield and Feedback Filter, the deck basically becomes unstoppable. Run with total impunity. Not going to happen every game but if/when it does happen HELLO.

I played a similar deck last night (same econ and tutor package) and boy, is it bonkers. There is only a week 'til our SC and I'm seriously considering running this over my tried and true Gabe deck. The risk-free information edge that comes with this setup is crazy.

This looks like perfect NEH FA hate if im honest. Getting econ off of the fact they are installing many undefended remotes, i like.

Do not take bad pub against this deck. You will hate life.

Question: What do you once your main economy engine is shut down? this can happen against a deck with only one remote (like Blue Sun) that eventually gets to a point when all ICE is rezzed.

@KroenThis almost never happens. I've even had opponents aggressively draw to find their Executive Boot Camps in order to try and rez ice protecting archives or HQ, but usually the tempo hit is enough that I can pull the win out while they put all their time in to trying to turn off my econ.

When they do manage to rez ice over every server though, there's usually at least one outermost piece of ice that can be broken for one credit. Running, breaking the ice, and jacking out still nets you Opus cash. Also, it puts them in a position where installing any more ice turns your economy right back on, so it puts the game into a sort of standstill for the corp.

Very nice! here's have my like

@Kroen I've considered about including a single Magnum Opus as backup econ for exactly that situation, but as afishisborn says, it tends to hurt them more than you anyway. It is something to think about though, especially if they manage to get taxing ice on the outermost edge of every server.

Did you think about adding Scheherazade to host your Au Revoir/snitch/smc/everything? anyway, nice deck, congrats.

So I'm taking out the Vamp for Beckman (testing that, anyway) and with the extra influence I was assuming Utopia Shard as mentioned here, but I decided to search 'n:1 d:r' just to see all my options and noticed Crescentus. This completely stops the corp from shutting down your econ by rezing outer ice. I'm also adding a mem chip so space isn't an issue, and just 1 is fine since you'll probably not need all 3 clones on SMCs. Seems to fit perfectly, but historically speaking I suck, so what are your thoughts, dear reader? Is it good? more good than a shard?

@Jigokuro Sounds like a good solution if you have a spare point of influence, and it's great for your Archers and the like too. An in-faction option could be Escher, which potentially awesome in all kinds of situations (especially with stuff like Atman), but it does rely on you being to be able to get into R&D.

Get into HQ, I should have said. That's even better, since R&D's the main target. Hmmm...

I love this idea. I also like cards that are given little love that's one reason i play The Professor: Keeper of Knowledge alot. I am glade you got it working.

As a fellow janker, I truly approve of this deck. Congrats on the Store Championship win with it! This is an inspiring level of jank.

I'm still dreaming of the day Bug, Muresh Bodysuit, and Record Reconstructor make it into winning decks.

@MapleHutt I'm still dreaming of Doppelganger, Rachel Beckman, and Record Reconstructor keeping the corp in a standstill while I figure out what I'm actually doing with my life.

I am not much of a net decker, and am constantly against doing so, but this deck made me stop what I was doing and build it. The econ engine is insane, the philosophy behind it amazing, and the tools it uses are genius to say the least. I swapped a few things around, traded the Clone Chip for an Akamatsu Mem Chip, swapped one of the Stimhack for Escher, and took out Vamp for Indexing, but I may swap that around a bit. I was also curious why ZU.13 Key Master instead of Gordian? After extensive testing with Tennin Code Gates, Gordian is the most efficient decoder as long as there is at least 2 on a server. Love the Snowball include, and love the deck idea in general. Grats on the win!

@CreativeChaos88 Zu is there in case the corp tries to rush out agendas early, and it's also all the decoder you need against some decks. Torch is the late-game decoder you want if they're running bigger code gates like Lotus Field and Merlin. Gordian Blade would be my choice if I were just running one decoder, but the combination of Torch and Zu is just too efficient.

@afishisborn Gotcha. Putting it that way, I definitely see the synergy, but was unsure with the MU issues what the reasoning was.

hahahahahahahaa!!!!!!

This deck is f-ing bananas. Not sure I would ever take it to a tourney (maybe post-clot? the biggest risk with this deck seems to be losing to astrotrain Bulls**t before you're up and operational)

SO much fun! I just played it against a Blue Sun, from like turn 4 he was holding SEA +3x scorch, and couldn't use it for like 7 turns b/c I was sitting on like 15 credits more than him.

I'm recommending this deck to anyone who likes running rich - I'm running the doppleganger variant and 15cr/turn (your first click is 6 credits!) is beyond imagining.

I think you're missing an opportunity by not including Escher in here -- influence free HQ pressure (kind of) that allows you to blow huge holes in servers, and generally ruin a corp's day, especially with snitch telling you exactly what every ICE is!

Anyways, just wanted to stop by and thank you so, so much for this ridiculous CT deck, just as I was desperate for a fun way to play CT with her new alt art :D

@voltorocks Just FYI, doppelganger requires a successful run, so while you can't make 15 creds in a turn, you can make 12 credits and a real run. Anyway, I'm glad you're enjoying the deck!

Anyone made a viable Au Revoir deck in criminal?

Yeah, I've been kicking around ideas for an Andy variant I think could work well. Forged Activation Orders and Crescentus come to mind.

@afishisborn ah, yes - it did seem a bit too good to be true (take one tag). Well, at least that frees the influence back up :D

@Kroen Maybe andromeda could do it, but the SMCs alone are 9 influnce, not to mention the memory could probably need to import, and even then it leaves you with only 6 cards that can turn into an au revoir or snitch, versus the 9 in the CT version.

drop the SMCs and even Andromeda is gonna be digging- the issue is that until you get at least 3 pieces out this engine is flatly worse than MO, so unless you can get it out in a real hurry (as, imo, only green can reliably) it's not gonna do you much good.

TLDR; while it seems like a lot of blue influnce in this deck, most of the parts to this deck are green, and higher influence cost that the blue parts. I think it'd be demonstrably worse off as a crim deck.

Wow, loving thing deck! Well done good sir...

@SlySquid Glad you're enjoying it! I've had a lot of fun playing this deck.

I posted my version of this deck with some play instructions. @afishisborn, thank you so much for showing me the way to make CT truly scary.

So Long, And Thanks For The Coelacanth v.22.03

Versions 22.01 and 22.02 were not fully formed but showed me where I could take your deck.