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Added - Levy AR Lab x1 - Imp x1 - Leprechauns x2 Cut - Helpful AI x2 - Akamatsu Mem Chip x3
Thinking about cutting Aesop completely, not sure if it is really useful for Econ here. Also thinking about third Leprechaun, third Sacrificial Construct, third Diesel. And about Same Old Thing, also.
What do you think?
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6 Aug 2014
esutter479
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7 Aug 2014
Dumon
Hmm. I'll try to explain what I think about your suggestions below. However, I am still a noob, and deckbuilding is more theoretical exercise, as I do not have the option of regular gameplay (and testing my decks). So I'd be very happy about any further advice, or if you think my reasoning might be faulty or something... :)
How big should the deck be? Granted, usually the idea is "as small as possible", especially with Runners. But with the professor, the targetted installation approach could probably make a slightly bigger deck still workable... ...reason I am asking is: if I add 4 more cards (1 Freelance, 1 SMC, 2 Suckers, and with Modded replacing Diesel), the deck becomes 50 cards big. I am very hesitant to cut anything else from it, so the question is - do these 5 additional cards make a huge difference? Any further comments are greatly appreciated... |
9 Aug 2014
esutter479
Well, I'll start off where you left off... :)
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10 Aug 2014
Dumon
First, thanks a lot, again. Your answers provide very valuable insights to me, and help me understand the game better. I won't be playing better, but I can certainly learn a lot regarding deck construction... ;) A few thoughts to what you were stating:
Okay, it all comes down to the question, if a 50 card deck here becomes too big. It somehow seems to me that way, so I am not sure what to do. An additional FCC would again enhance my Econ, and would go even better if I added in two more programs (i.e. 2 Suckers). And the last SMC is not a bad addition, either. Only question: is the addition of four cards really a good idea? And if not, what do you think I should cut? Thanks for your already very helpful advice. I learn a lot due to these hints. |
10 Aug 2014
Dumon
Add-on to the first item: I totally forgot about Keyhole and using it to trash Agendas, then running on Archives to secure them. Levels the luck aspect a little, but I still feel a little too helpless against FA decks. Maybe I don't need to, but so far I don't have the experience. Which is why Chakana is there - as a safeguard against those FA decks. |
10 Aug 2014
esutter479
Oh, those FA decks... :( My best friend runs an NBN FA, and another friend runs a Scorched Imaging deck. 2 different corp IDs that basically both do the same thing. They score quick, and hammer you if you try to get aggressive on them. It's so beautifully cheesy...there's just nothing else to say about it, heh. As for the advice, no problem. :) I'm learning new things just about every day, as well...from the people I play against in addition to folks like CodeMarvelous, x3r0h0ur, Peekay and a few others on this site. I try to be as clear and concise as I can, though sometimes I can ramble on. It just means I'm addicted to this damn game, lol. Personally, I'd keep the deck down to 45 cards if possible. The whole "you'll likely draw better with a smaller stack" idea couldn't be more true as with The Professor. On that note, I just realized that I completely missed the fact that you have a Copycat in there. I've not yet seen one in any other Professor deck, and not sure the value involved. What it does is interesting...more or less like the runner version of Bullfrog, only working to the runner's advantage. I don't, however, really believe that it fits in with Professor, and could easily be a deletion to help take the size down to under 50. Snitch is somewhat questionable, also. There are much more important and lethal cards that you'll be drawing into, and NEEDING to draw into after you Levy and reset. It's going to be hard for me to say this, but as far as cutting things out goes, I'd even look hard at deleting those Sacrificial Constructs. They add very little to what will likely be somewhat of a Big Rig type concept once it gets rolling. It's not like the corp will be able to wipe all, or even most, of your important pieces off the table once you get them out. :) I hope that helps to streamline things. I've had a LOT of fun building my Professor deck this past week, and it's now going to be my go-to runner deck for the forseeable future. It's more or less the same thing as Peekay's "Vivat Academia" deck that he posted on here a while back. All I really did was switch up a couple of the breakers, and go -1 Opus for +1 Leprechaun. I really think it has potential, and once I've tested and streamlined it for myself, I'll be more than happy to post it on the site as well for all to see. :) |
10 Aug 2014
Dumon
My other deck is NBN FA, aswell (more or less traditional Astro), which is why I hate them so much. They are darn effective, if played right, and if the runner can't slow them down, he is left in their wake. That said, my other deck is not very good, or I am not very good at playing it, yet. Not sure which... :) But back to topic. Yeah, I have been trying to get to 45. Before you came along, I had the deck down to 46, which was okay. Now I'm juggling 50. Not your fault, but the problem with good arguments is that they usually tag along the consequence of more hard cuts... :) What I am not so sure is if the Prof. really needs the fastest deck possible. In here are (as of now) 21 programs, and 9 of the remaining 25 (plus 2 programs, aswell) are used to get the ones I need in any possible situation. So drawing the PROGRAMS I need is not really a big problem, here. The problem arises if I don't get the Events I need (especially for money). But then, there are also multiple redundancies built in here (Pawnshop, Magnum Opus, etc). Not getting Plascrete can cost the game, though, and that is the only card that I think is in danger of becoming more useless the more cards I put in here. Saurus is good, but not essential, Clone Chip is awesome, but I got Events that can help me there. If Pawnshop is out, awesome. If not, I can manage. Sacrificial is beneficient to have out, but if not, it still can work (although Leprechaun makes it a little more dangerous, then). Okay, to the cards you mentioned.
There are others. Chakana is there for when it's needed, Imp too. Keyhole is a gamechanger and needs to be in here, as does Parasite. Grappling Hook is fantastic for big ice, and also I love the idea of this card that I would never kick it... So, there I am. I also killed off a few other cards from iteration 1 of this deck, and am pretty confident that the above deck is more or less what I want it to be. But then, the Sucker is a fantastically useful card to have, as you so rightly pointed out. But rethinking Quality Time, I guess that 3 for 2 more cards to draw is too high a cost for me, at the moment. Usually, it is a lot better (especially with Pawnshop and MO), but I am aiming for drawing only what I need. Diesel is there to kick it off early, or to fill the hand back up, and I think 3 cards for 1 click are useful enough, here. And I need the money elsewhere... Do I need the third SMC? It IS useful, but is it necessary? And do I need the third FCC? The latter would be better than the former, I guess, but I already have a lot of Econ in here. I think I will not put them in, after all. So the next iteration will be 48 cards with 2 Suckers, I guess... PS: The rambling part. As it turns out, I'm pretty good at this, too... :D |
13 Aug 2014
esutter479
Well, my first run with my Professor deck went pretty well yesterday evening. I played against a Weyland flatline deck with some Archer action. It was really fun. I ended up getting Sea Scorched late-game, but the only reason the Corp player was able to do that was cuz I didn't draw either of my 2 Plascretes OR my Toolbox or Mem Chip(s) so that I could get out a full pressure rig and bury him earlier. :( As always, poor drawing luck screwed me in the end...but the deck was certainly working well otherwise. I had a Keyhole and Datasucker out under Djinn, and Garrote and Corroder out under a Leprechaun, which left me room for my Opus. I eventually had to ditch the Djinn in favor of a Gordian, after he got spooked by Keyhole and had 4 ICE on his R&D, heh. So down the remote I went, and of course...Snare, lol. Live and learn. How's your Professor deck doing so far? Have you had the chance to run yet with it? |
14 Aug 2014
Dumon
Nope. Unfortunately not. But I included the two Suckers and am ready for action... And kudos to your success, even if it didn't result in a win. On another note - due to my loving the Professor, I have decided to never play against anyone who uses Cerebral Static, and to quit playing against people who I discover to do so, for good. Disregarding the deck I play (or they play), but BECAUSE of the Professor. I hate that this card attacks the identity, and that there is even a NEED to protect against it... ...sorry, just had to let it out, somewhere. Man, I hate cards that make other cards not only less useful, but unplayable... |
14 Aug 2014
esutter479
Actually dude, Static won't affect our beloved Professor. It can only screw the identity of runners whose effects spill over into play after the game has started. Kit, Kate, Exile...actually, Professor will be the only ID besides Andromeda that won't get totally boned by this nasty little Current card. Cheer up, my friend! :) |
Personally, I'd cut Diesel, and either add 1 Freelance Coding Contract or Modded x2. IMO, with Dinosaurus and Leprechaun x2, you're probably good as far as being able to display a good rig on the table. If anything, Aesop's Pawnshop could be replaced by CyberSolutions Mem Chip. I'd definitely try to fit in one more Self-modifying Code code, though.