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Okay, so somehow this pile of junk went undefeated at the Stockport Public Sympathy Shield this weekend (21-man tournament, five rounds). The basic plan is:
Jackson + Diagnostics + Shutdown into scored Hades Fragment, pass turn.
You have a full archives but if the Runner goes in they give you money, take tags, and you can score out with the help of Hades for the win.
You can win out of hand (without a preinstalled Jackson), ending up with two Jacksons exiled. First Diagnostics is Interns (JHow), Reclamation Order (Diagnostics) and Biotic. Second Diagnostics is Interns (Hades), Shipment x2. Use your last click for the fifth advancement.
If you remove three Jacksons you can get an extra operation use, which can get you around The Source with or Clot with Cyberdex.
Usual win conditions after combo-ing are scoring Astro next turn (if the runner doesn't run) followed by Beale or Explode-a-Palooza. If they do run, you can Midseason + Psychographics out a Beale (or just Psycho if they don't clear tags).
Rounds:
Noise- waited for him to not have Clone Chip / Peddler, then went for it, he didn't run and Astro'd him to death.
R2- I honestly don't remember what ID my opponent was playing here (maybe Kate?) but he didn't play any of the ~5 cards which actually interact with me and didn't steal Hades Fragment, so I went off and won in short order. Not much to say here.
CT- her only installed card turn 3 was SMC, so Shutdown got it to prevent Clot from wrecking my day.
MaxX- played Hacktivist Meeting, but he was being really careful to avoid getting Midseasoned so I scored a naked Beale to kill it, then combo'd
Stirling: Needed to bait him into running to enable Shutdown, so I installed a naked Beale (win/win). He took it, could maybe have won if he'd run on Archives straight away and used Critic to remove all my copies of Beale, but he didn't so I scored Astro and chained.
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23 Aug 2015
thesm17
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23 Aug 2015
whirrun
Can I just check how you actually win once you've shutdown. What's the first thing you get back? How many turns does it take? Is there anything you already want in hand? I assume you take back jackson first, and then diagnostics second to go for another combo score? I definitely love the concept, and how Haarpsichord makes this sort of deck possible. |
23 Aug 2015
Isvan
Also the deck is 48 cards because I can't deckbuilding. |
23 Aug 2015
Alakallanar
Astrolabe? I still don't understand how you are consistently quick enough to win after the Hades score. Assuming the runner on average managed to score 2 points before the combo. (Not unreasonable in my opinion.) He sees that you haven't got anything to kill him either by noticing the spend influence during your combo or on his first run on archives. So he should run archives every turn to score a 2-pointer. That would leave you two turns (and two cards) total to score another 4 points. 3 points is easy with Diagnostics + final Jackson, but I don't see a way to score 4 points that quickly. (Unless he is too poor to remove at least 2 tags after each archive run. So he needs 8 credits + whatever it costs to run archives, which shouldn't be too much and has 1 click each turn to spare.) |
23 Aug 2015
Alakallanar
Ok because of Closed Accounts he has to remove all tags at least on his first archives run. |
23 Aug 2015
Alakallanar
Ignore my blabbering, you'll already have a Accelerated Diagnostics in hand from your Hades score turn, since you used Reclamation Order... |
24 Aug 2015
jawe
Sorry, but i don't understand how this combo works. Can someone please explain. Thanks |
24 Aug 2015
Isvan
Usual operation combinations to play are:
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24 Aug 2015
Dydra
" Play Accelerated Diagnostics to play those three cards for free. " That is so very not true. AD makes you pay the play cost. Also I'd be very careful, because Film Critic can score 4 points from your archives in 1 turn. Which makes your " Return 1 card per turn with Hades" plan not that safe. |
24 Aug 2015
Isvan
@Dydra You get to ignore the additional costs, however, and basically the only operations which cost more than one credit are Biotic and Midseasons. Film Critic is less of a problem than it looks, because if they want those 4 points you can just trash Film Critic since they have tags. Alternatively if they're not super rich, you can Psychographics to just win off of Beale via Midseasons. A single Film Critic isn't that much of a proble, (you're still faster than the Runner is), it's only if they have Film Critic and another card that slows you down (Hades Shard, Clot, Fall Guy, etc) that things start getting risky. |
24 Aug 2015
nicohasa
The last card could be a 1-off Subliminal Messaging. This is a cheaper way to get a click with Accelerated Diagnostics, for combos where you need 4 clicks, but not 5. As an example, if you have an installed Jackson Howard, but the runner has a Clot, I think you need 4 clicks to score out the Hades Fragment. So you'd want to play a subliminal instead of a Biotic, for a net save of 5 credits. |
24 Aug 2015
nicohasa
You do lose the game from Eden Shard though. |
24 Aug 2015
Dothanite
I like this wombo combo and I think I'm going to build my own doomsday deck. I fell like there are plenty of options to combo out with, especially with the ability to recur Accelerated Diagnostics for your Jackson plays. |
24 Aug 2015
Isvan
You lose to Eden Shard, Laramy Fisk and Fisk Investment Seminar. You can't combo if Noise has an installed Clone Chip or Street Peddler (or SMC / Savoir-Faire I guess), but you can always just wait for him to use it (or maybe Power Shutdown a clone chip if you're lucky). |
24 Aug 2015
juliandark
How do you make runners careful about midseasons before firing the combo? Where do you get the money for it? You have no drip economy, no other assets they need to trash, no surprise melange, and only hedge fund and sweeps week. |
24 Aug 2015
shanodin
I was at this tourney but didn't play against this deck. It caught everyone off guard. Probably won't work so well if you play anyone there again ;) |
24 Aug 2015
Isvan
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24 Aug 2015
Dothanite
If they stole an agenda the turn before, can't you:
This would take a minimum of 24 credits, but I haven't had a problem with getting that much as I'm waiting for the combo anyway. I have made a few small changes to this deck to make it a hybrid of your Doomsday and Yellow Flash. Having fun with it so far. |
27 Aug 2015
Arkhon
This is a pretty fun deck. I really like the ingenuity, but in addition to being disrupted by Noise: Hacker Extraordinaire, who is the prevalent runner ID right now, it will also die to Laramy Fisk: Savvy Investor and Fisk Investment Seminar in the next pack, so I feel that this deck's time may be limited. As noted by others, Film Critic puts you on a clock as well as it enables the runner to make multiple scores in a turn. What happens if they happen to steal the Hades Fragment with an early access? Does the deck have sufficient tricks and protection to score out without the Power Shutdown combo? |
27 Aug 2015
Isvan
Film Critic: Can play around it, it isn't as bad as it looks. Double Film Critic is pretty bad though. Losing Hades Fragment is bad, but if you can get two points scored behind some random ETR or through Biotic, the remaining five points can be scored in a turn via Project Beale. Without Power Shutdown you can try and astrotrain anyway but it's really awkward, you're missing half the tools and you only have one AstroScript. You probably just lose. |
28 Aug 2015
federicolatini
Whole netrunner night playing this deck against players aware of it, I was repeadetly crushed by Valencia, noise, leela. I'm probably playing it poorly... |
29 Aug 2015
rojazu
This deck just took down a store championship in tokyo, undefeated in 4 rounds of swiss |
29 Aug 2015
payprplayn
What's the issue with noise? Are you concerned about him disrupting your combo after you pop a Jackson? He can't mill you once you've got Hades Shard because there's no paid ability window between the shard trigger and your mandatory draw. |
30 Aug 2015
just_rob
I won a summer kit with this deck going 4-0 as corp. It is a powerhouse, no doubt about it. Congrats to the designer. |
30 Aug 2015
Isvan
The problem with Noise is that if you Jackson, he can clone chip / Peddler a virus to mill one of the cards you shuffled in before you can Diagnostics. This means your combo is very likely to fizzle halfway through. |
31 Aug 2015
grubbslinger
How does this interact with Employee Strike ? Since the current is removed when an agenda is scored, I assume that as soon as they score one agenda from Archives, the current is removed and they therefore can not score another agenda but I could also see it being the other way since you access all the cards in Archives at once allowing you to score them at the same time. |
31 Aug 2015
Jonny
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31 Aug 2015
grubbslinger
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4 Sep 2015
juliandark
It was asked many times here, but still no answer, but how exactly are you winning AFTER you score Hades? How do you score the astro? Draw the last jackson and PD again? For what? Biotic, Interns and Shipment? What if they steal the astro/hades before you combo? This deck seems to have many holes which are filled mainly by the fact that people expect butcher shop and don't know what to do. |
4 Sep 2015
Isvan
Runner did not run straight away: Runner ran and did not clear tags: Runner ran and cleared tags: Astro isn't that important to the combo. You can still score out with Beales and Explode-a-Palooza. Astro is just the easiest route to victory if the runner doesn't run (but if they do that, you probably win no matter what you score, Astro is just fastest / cheapest). If you lose Hades your best bet is to try and bluff out an Astroscript / Beale for two points, then do a full combo for a 5-point Project Beale. |
29 Sep 2015
lopert
Late to the party on this one, but this looks awesome! Question: If you have to go the 2nd route for the initial combo (meaning your Jackson was in hand when you started), don't you burn all 3 jacksons? Jackson #1: Reclamation Order + Biotic Labor + Interns (Jackson #2) Jackson #2: Interns, Interns, Shipment (for Jackson #3 and Hades) Jackson #3: Interns (CVS), Shipment, Shipment. Score Hades. So now you have a scored Hades, but that only gets you 1 card a turn right? In your comment before this one, you mention that you can Diag combo for Astro or Beale or Mids, but you have no more Jacksons so this isn't doable. So my question is how do prioritise taking cards out of archives when diag is not an option? I would assume the first hades is always to scoop a beale out of archives, and the second hades would be psycho to hope to win on that turn. Assuming the runner has 2 points before the combo, on turn 0 (before the first hades card) he'll run archives, take 2 points (go to 4), and clear 3 tags. If you grab and play midseason, you still need 2 turns (where first, the runner will go in and grab a beale to go to 6, winning next turn) to grab the beale and then the psycho (and then hopefully be able to deal with clot). Side thoughts:
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29 Sep 2015
Isvan
If everything is in hand, you can score Hades with only two Jacksons. Jackson #1 : Reclamation Order (Diagnostics), Interns (Jackson), Biotic Labor Jackson #2: Interns (Hades), Shipment from SanSan, Shipment from SanSan You have one extra click left from Biotic which you can use to advance Hades the last time and score. You only need the third Jackson if the Runner has Clot. Tech Startup is a low risk way of getting Jackson on board, yeah. I found it pretty good, but I haven't played this deck since Universe of Tomorrow came out, so most of my opponents were unaware of how to play against it correctly. News Team is great yeah. The easiest things to cut are Tech Startup, Closed Accounts, and/or some ICE. I'd be very careful about playing this deck at the moment, though, because if anyone has Laramy Fisk or Fisk Investment Seminar, you're screwed and there's absolutely no way around it. |
25 Jul 2016
rex_monolith
I'm very late to the discussion on this one (and relatively new to the game) but this is the most brilliantly bonkers deck I've seen. To my way of thinking there is also another play that can be made as long as you have a JH/PS/AD in hand and the cash (even better if tech start-up or JH is in play). 1) Install JH1 2) PS your whole deck (cumulative spend 1) and use JH1 to load R&D with Biotic Labour (BL), Interns1 & Reclamation order (RO) 3) Play AD1 a) BL (cum spend 6, clicks -> 5), b) Int1 (install JH2), c) RO (to get AD2 & AD3 in hand). Use JH2 to load R&D with BL, Int1 & Int2 4) Play AD2 a) BL (cum spend 11, clicks -> 7), b) Int1 (install JH3), c) Int2 (install Astro). Use JH3 to load BL, Int1 & RO. 5) Play AD3 a) BL (cum spend 16, clicks -> 9), b) Int1 (install Hades), c) RO (to get 3x Shipment from Sans Sans) 6) Advance Astro (cum spend 17) 7) Sans Sans Astro and score it, advance Hades 1 from Astro 8) Sans Sans Hades 9) Sans Sans Hades & score it So one move 5 agenda points ! Once the runner gets over their "WTF just happened" moment what can they do ? If they run on archives
OK they knick a Beal but they end up with -1 Agenda point and 3 tags or 2 agenda points and 9 tags, either way they're ripe to be plucked by Pyscho/Beal. If they don't run then you should still have plenty of room to squeeze 2 points out with BL/Beale. |
I wish I had come up with this.