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Best deck ever!

I made some tweeks and seems like it works)

Ooh, what tweeks did you try? I was thinking of subbing in some Interns for Reclamation Order, try to afford Ash.

Neat! Triple Dedication Ceremony recursion with Commercialization to capitalize off of it seems like a cool combo.

Thoughts on including a Executive Boot Camp or two to deal with Blackmail?

A lot, actually. It is surprisingly common for them not to run advanced things, and then you can't use Dedication Ceremony. I really want a way to rez ice outside of the runner's turn.

But I'm very wedded to the "no remotes" concept. An EBC might get hit with Temüjin Contract and run into the floor. It is hard enough to block 3 servers decently, with one of them being the bank wall on HQ. Stretching to 4 feels like it'll let them in somewhere.

I've actually done some testing with the Amazon Industrial Zone . The main problem with it is getting it before I've already got the ice down. It basically needs to be opening hand, and then you need 3 copies and that is too many.

You actually have a decent game vs. Blackmail though. They have to Blackmail HQ to get the crisium, then do it again to get rid of OTG, and finally they might have to use another to get the agenda (if you put an ice wall or whatever in front of it.

More importantly, if they don't know how the deck works they might let you rez the centrals. A lot of blackmail decks I've seen use breakers for pressuring centrals and save their blackmails for remotes. These decks are in a lot of trouble vs. Off the Grid .

Very well stated reply. I'll just mention though that if Executive Boot Camp gets hit by Temüjin Contract, you're laughing! Could use the paid ability to search for a Jackson Howard or another Executive Boot Camp to collapse the server. You probably just need the bootcamp to fire once since whatever you use it on will get up to God Strength in no time.

Good point. Maybe I'll give ebc a try, change it out for Beanstalks.

I add 2 lotus field, power shutdown to lock yog nre players, also swap agenda suit to 3 food + 2pointers. Also add 3rd off the grid. You can play reclamation order into off the grid and stack them in remote. Rez one by one if runner make another succesful run on HQ.

My version here netrunnerdb.com Deck is probabbly not very competitive but still fun to play with.

I'm curious what would happen if you put a Clone Suffrage Movement in an OTG server and just recurred Dedication Ceremony over and over and over again.

My only concern after some testing is knifed, which you can't really protect against. Its more than possible for a runner to save up and snipe your econ ice pay 20+ to break, and trash, it

@MrHuds0n Infinite walls, leading to infinite money! I kind of love it.

@Eji1700 So, there's a bit of a way to block that. Knifed kills the first barrier that they break all the subs on in a run. If you are afraid of Knifed, put a "Secret Service" wall in front of your bank wall (this is generally good practice anyway for Inside Job, etc.) So you've got a str 20 Fire wall in the back, and in front of it a str 1 ice wall.

Note, Wendigo is good for this. Toss an advancement on it to make it a barrier.

None of this is to say that cutlery is an easy win. It is definitely the toughest matchup (esp. if they have D4Vid). But I've won a game or two against them.

Do you think it could be possible to run a single Swarm in this deck? Been ages since I 've been dreaming of having it in a deck.

Nevermind I tried it and I had it at 25 subs at some point. It turns out to be quite effective on HQ since the runner have to run there twice. Very fun deck.

I'd be a bit careful about making a super swarm, as there are a decent number of things that break all sentry subs. That said, at least it wouldn't be Femme-able, so probably it had its uses.

I testplayed the deck and had two awesome games. I lost the first one vs a Hayley with D4v1d, Scavenge and Clone Chip and won the 2nd against a stealth Kit. Kit has paid 33 to break Hadrian with Paperclip. 33! That was just insane.

I think this deck could really use a third copy off OTG, because the card is absolutely needed for scoring.

And although I really like Wendigo and Builder, having 6 out of 15 ICE as positional ICE can be really hard. I had bad luck on my first game, getting only positional ICE early (I mulliganed from no ICE to only Wendigo and then got a Builder 2nd turn).
I wonder if it'd be better to change the Wendigos into something non-positional like a Changeling to force out a killer.

@Krams Ah well, nothing to be done about losing to D4vid. The reason that the deck works is that everyone left their anti-dino bullets at home. If you run into the last guy packing then you are in trouble.

Vs a setup like that you have to make many moderate walls, rather than one uber-wall, but it is still pretty much a lost cause.

Ice wise, it is a very tough call. It is true that we only have 9 ice that ETR (and, really, hadrian's isn't anything you want to immediately see), but the Localized Product Lines and Jacksons make it pretty likely that you find one.

Changeling for Builder might be a good swap. Changeling forces the killer and can do preliminary work, while still costing cerberus counters and intercepting Forked when you make it a barrier. It is obviously not ideal as a bank wall, but it might well be worth it as a stopgap measure, in case of bad pull.

The reason I'm reluctant is just the ratios. Builder is 2 to rez, 4 to break, while Changeling is 5 to rez, 3 to break. Obviously that's a bit of a hit.

Lucky that your bad draw happened vs a D4vid deck you were going to have trouble with anyway, so at least you got to see the deck work once. If this deck catches on there will be room for people to do variants that work off opponent's knowledge of the base form. IE, including one rototurret because people aren't installing killers, etc.

The reason I only use 2 OTG (as you point out, it is clutch for scoring), is that you can fetch it with Localized, recur it with reclamation. 3 would certainly not be bad. I just worry about polluting R&D with trashables, and it is mostly a dead pull once you have the setup.

Also, sometimes I build more castles? Like, I beat a Leela deck last night by building 3 remotes he couldn't challenge (THIS DECK, wtf), and scoring a hollywood and 2 oaktowns from the board to get around gang signs/HQ interface. We aren't completely married to OTG. You can OTG into a 2 hadrian's server and it is still a pain to get in.

@Waltzard I played some more games with the deck and I really like it, it's fun to play!

I'm not really sure about Wendigo vs Changeling.

And I've also tested Archived Memories vs. Reclamation Order, they both have their advantages and you can even combine them to get each other back from archives if needed. But I guess, in the end, none of my combinations was really better than simply going 3 RO.

I also tinkered around with 3 Shipment from Kaguyas, but they're not as great as I thought. I just had to learn to trust the ID and use it to it's best. Then the Shipments became unneccessary.

As far as Archived vs Reclamation...I think Interns is a strong contender. Would free up some influence.

I too find the deck fun to play, although there is definitely a trollface element to my glee. Like, this deck makes people salty, but when they complain they sound ridiculous. "I played this guy, and his deck was so bs. He put down ice and then he scored agendas behind it, over the course of 2 rounds."

Gorgeous deck.

Ankusa really hurts you, so I have to find some place for Swarm anyway.

As mentioned above, Clone Suffrage Movement will be really hillarious!

I've never really seen Ankusa in play, except for my own Khan derezzing deck :D

Ankusa is a big problem. I haven't run into it, but I can totally see how that would be a problem. The deck's conceit is that runner must spend on the ice over an over, and it breaks them. If they just have to spend once, then we are beat.

I'll give Swarm a shot. Maybe a singleton replacing a Builder or similar. It would be AMAZING if I ever got it to hit, just trash their whole rig in a shot.

Navi Mumbai Grid deals with D4v1d, just replace your localized product lines with Consulting visits to free up some influence.

Navi may be a good choice. I was trying to build a version of the deck last night after reading this, and thought about how Femme Fatale would ruin my day as well. Both Navi and Underway Grids could be interesting adds. However, without Crisium Grid on HQ, the Goliath becomes much more like a normal sized person.

@aermet69 Yeah, I was thinking that.

Femme: So, a Femme on your bank ice isn't the end of the world. Once you've got your engine (Dedications and Commercializaitons in archives), you can just make another one. As long as they aren't destroying your bank wall you can replicate it everywhere.

Navi Mumbai City Grid This is a hard call. As Aermet69 points out, the key to Goliath is that they have to pay a billion creds to beat the bank wall, then do it again after also trashing the Crisium. Then a third time to get the second OTG in the remote, depending on how well you've set up.

On the other hand, Navi can give you the hard lockout vs a Datasucker/Cutlery/D4vid player, which transitions quickly into victory. But it is a dead draw (presumably a 3 copy dead draw) vs. a pumpable breaker player.

Currently I'm not on Navi, though that could change.

So, took the deck (-2 beanstalk, + 2 Executive Boot Camp , -3 Builder +2 Changeling and 1 Swarm to a local tourney today ( we had a pity party for "we are not at Worlds), and it ended up 2 and 2.

As far as the 2 losses went...one was very much a play error on my part. Didn't react to the Sneakdoor well enough, tried to build a remote when I should have build Archives.

The other loss was to an En Passant Val deck that used Blackmail/Dos to pass/trash ice. Got basically run over.

The 2 wins, one was vs Smoke, usual victory path of out money-ing the runner. The other was vs. another Val en-passant deck, and I got my EBC out and rezzed up a storm, scored out behind ice the runner wasn't able to break.

I think those changes are probably sticking. EBC is not only good vs blackmail tomfoolery, it also rezzes things that they are unwilling to run, so that you can dedicate it.

I played against this (or something very similar) yesterday on Jnet, and it was quite a slogfest for me (I can't remember if I won or not in the end, but I do know it was a close one - I think I lost).

It's worth being aware of DDoS and Knifed as a combo, or derez effects in general with En Passant. That's going to ruin your day in short order!

I tried a version with Clone Suffrage Movement over Reclamation Order. Put CSM Off The Grid and you can triple advance an ICE every single turn. I had a 25 advanced Ice Wall to stall him out of R&D. Was nice for Commercialization :) But it was a grind for sure. Well done making this concept work!

Consider also The Twins. They can double encounter the HQ ICE in a pinch if you keep a spare copy on hand or use recursion to make it so.

Might be useful to ward off D41vd's when they come knocking.

I played this last night. Put in 2 Anson Rose and took out 1 Dedication Ceremony and 1 Crisium Grid. Had a 30 str Hadrian's Wall over HQ. Really enjoyed what you did with Weyland Consortium: Because We Built It!!!