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Out of the Ashes could be pretty good for a 1 click Apocalypse. Have you considered that instead of some of the one-offs?

@tendermovement bonus clicks from Shaper are a luxury that APEX has to sacrifice some major fundamentals for due to how influence-hungry he is. Out of the Ashes is a whopping 6 influence for 3 copies. Any individual one copy of it COULD lead to an Apocalypse turn with a spare click left over though, which might be great or not depending on board state or matchup. It is also a lot easier to fit in rig-wise than Hyperdriver (as utilized by the other popular Apex build, the Hyperdriver 'King of Servers' deck). I think it's probably worth a try, but I decided to keep it simpler with this deck iteration and focus Influence on the stuff APEX needs.

@umbralAeronaut Yes, I think it's not necessary to put in more than 3. That would net you a 1 click Apocalypse on the rare occasion but having 1 free run on the Apocalypse turn could - for example - save you from being scorched after as you could also install Heartbeat on the same turn. It seems like an interesting card for Apex. Haven't tried it myself yet though.

I'd say drop the Infiltrations, Kraken and 1 Apocalypse (if Apoc is out of the question, then Traffic Jam maybe) if you wanna get down to 45 cards. The rest of the build looks great, though, and I may be compelled to switch out my Faust for Gingerbread.

I think that Turing screw you big time. Perhaps a Panchatantra or ZU.13 Key Master or even a Inside Job

But Endless hunger isn't an AI, so why does it care about Turing?

Never mind, just looked up why. For future reference, turing doesn't say 'End the Run'.

@wookiezIt can't break the damn thing because it's not pure "end the run" it's a "condition then end the run". The only way to go through is to have a dedicated breaker which is usually not run in Apex or click through.

@wookiezComment sent before noticing the reply, apologies.

@esutter479 Yeah, I think you can go to 2x on Prey, and Wasteland (Wasteland doesn't want to get installed before you've gotten your first Apocalypse off, and with some discipline Prey can be reserved for the few examples of ICE that will disrupt your Apocs). You can probably drop all of the Infiltration if you like, I like having Expose but it's probably unnecessary. Thanks for the kind words!

@Zenit If Turing is installed on a remote, it just gets Apocalypsed. If Turing is installed on a central server, it's a full turn with #Prey and 2 facedown cards to get rid of. It's a tough pill but I firmly believe that's your tech right there, devoting too many other deck-space resources to a card that's typically just a 1-of in Corp decks is working a bit too hard.

@umbralAeronautI understand. I was thinking the same, but maybe the tempo loss Turing make you incurr it's too much.

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Haven't played Apex before, and with the claim that this is a straightforward build, I thought it might be a fun experiment for a meetup night. Played it against BABW kill and NEH asset spam with Sensie.

I see the trick with Exclusive Party, but without some kind of recursion, it feels like spending 6 influence and slots on an average of 2 cards and 5 credits. Is that accurate? I liked having a no-brainer card to play facedown at the start of the turn early game as I spent the first several turns drawing deep for EH, but that's not worth the cost, I would say.

And without EH, the deck is... static. Facechecking with no programs out is rough, and anything worth playing that is porous will hit you twice before Prey removes it from play. Vanilla and Wraparound really make this deck cry until EH drops.

I'm going to pull Exclusive Party for Special Orders and maybe Easy Mark. But I'd love to hear what you think I was doing wrong.

@Shteevie Oh this deck was principally a thought exercise when I made it, I will disclaim any statements of it being actually good/coherent until I can test it out more myself. Exclusive Party is really not a fantastic card, even less so when you're paying Influence for it. The most important part about EP for me is that it will never cost you a card (when played for it's ability it covers the click spent to draw it). The rationale is that APEX doesn't ever need a terrible lot of credits, but he wants at least a few and he also REALLY wants to see his mini-faction power cards, so an econ piece that doubles as a 6-card deck thinner and has upside when used as fodder for his ID ability is going to be more useful to him then, say, 3x Lucky Find (for equal influence).

If you don't see EH when you need it, you're going to have a bad time against gearcheck ETR which is a common ice suite strategy. Variance happens. So yeah if Special Order does it for you then go for it, let me know how it works.

Post 23 Seconds' release and after playing several more games with this guy I have refined it, ended up cutting Wasteland and adding the Out of the Ashes suggested as well as additional icebreaker options with Overmind, and it now lives on as the (regrettably less memey) but far more effective "Cult of Apex":

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