Titan Transnational discovers the Stars

I'm digging this, my friend, but one question: what does this deck have in the way of early econ? Commercialization only kicks in after you've spammed your shipments (and you'd have to have four counters on one ice before it equaled a Hedge Fund), and Hostile Takeover of course comes with the downside of bad pub.

Other than that, this looks pretty fun to play. Just a few days now until the big box!

There's some serious anti-synergy I'm seeing here, most notably Hostile with NAPD. Are you certain those shouldn't be Geothermals? Those even work better with your ID.

Not really sold on Commercialization here, as most ICE don't want to amass more than 3 advancement counters (with the only exceptions being Orion and Searchlight. Also, the one nearly criminal omission here seems to be Mark Yale - especially since you're low on money and already running [Firmware Updates].(/en/card/07004).

With no early economy, you won't have enough credits to keep the runner out of your servers. I understand that the Galaxy ice gets cheaper as you advance them, but I feel that Shipment from Kaguya and Shipment from SanSan will just be too slow. You can't even reliably install, advance, advance the ice due to lack of Econ again.

I would be worried about David out of Anarch. Most all of the ice is 5 strength or higher with one sub. Other than that the deck looks pretty solid. Has a lot of synergy.

The reason people keep mentioning economy is because you need it to play this game. There's a reason Hedge Fund is played in almost every deck, and it's because you need early economy for making sure the runner doesn't make quick work of you. Don't get me wrong, I love the Galaxy ice, and how cheap they become, but you need to be able to get to that point first. Not putting the proper amount and mix of early and late game economy in a deck isn't walking on the wild side, it's just not efficient.

Proxy this deck up or build it on OCTGN and play it a few times, I'm sure you're going to find yourself with credit problems more than you may think.

A side note, why are you running Searchlight with nothing to punish tags? Is it to fake the runner out and make them think there's a Scorch threat?

Shipment of SanSan is really only worth 2 credits unless you're playing fast and porous (Astrobiotics) or you're using Efficiency Committee. Is this really worth 3 influence?

Yes, @Glitch is "the only one still ranting about econ", but that's mostly because the rest of us just gave up, really.

Seriously, if your argument against Hedge Fund is "sometimes I need to click to be able to play it", and completely ignore the aspect that with a Hedge Fund you get to 9 credits twice as fast as without, there's no real use continuing the discussion.

(that you need at least 9 credits in a game of netrunner should be painfully obvious by now)

You don't need 9 credits with a scored Astroscript, but you most certainly need 9 credits to get an Astroscript scored, without losing to Indexing, Maker's Eye, Keyhole, repeated Medium runs and a million other things.

But you know, whatever - I'm done here.

Listen, I was legitimately attempting to help you, but it's clear that you aren't able to take constructive criticism, or you throw out bad arguments and name calling to start a flame war in order to keep your decks "relevant", I don't know. This will be my last post on this deck, regardless of your responses.

Btw, stating you've played Jinteki since core doesn't mean you know what you're doing. There was a reason they were the worst corp faction for so long and that has everything to do with, you guessed it, economy! So, just because you're used to playing with no economy, doesn't make it a good deck. It just brings it back to a time when Jinteki was sub par.

I also don't understand why you're using Fastrobiotics as examples here. For starters, you famously hate those decks. Secondly, all of those decks run Hedge Fund plus a ton of other economy to make them efficient.

Again, I'm done with this deck, so go ahead and flame me or whatever you have to do to heal your ego, I don't care. It's pointless arguing with someone who doesn't actually want help. I look forward to seeing this win Worlds this year...

I'm going to mention economy too; please don't bite my head off!

You start with 5. If you install and double advance a stellar ICE, even with the lowered rez cost, you have no left. Install and Shipment from SanSan will leave you with 2 after a rez. Double install and Shipment from Kaguya leaves you unable to rez either bit.

The shipments are pseudo-economy, at best. They save you money, but they don't actually generate any credits. Commercialization is of no use in the early game. So that leaves you with Hostile Takeover. It's admittedly one of the best agendas in the game (IMO), but you can't rely on it as an economy card.

I can see how once this deck gets rolling, it would work, but I can't help but think you'd face a lot of early game pressure and struggle to recover. Especially when more than 1 in 4 cards is an agenda.

"Do you mean after I lock them out from the server which they want to access?"

If it's an Asteroid Belt, fantastic. If it's an Ice Wall, that's okay. Anything else is not going to lock them out. And which server do you choose? With your agenda density, you can't afford to leave R&D open; The Maker's Eye gives a 60% chance of hitting an agenda. Indexing gives 80%, and a 40% chance of 2 agendas.

But if you leave HQ open, Account Siphon is a thing, as is Lamprey to a lesser extent. I'm not trying to say that leaving a server open will lose you the game, but it's not a situation that is likely to end well for you.

"Enough if you have ToL + Atlas in hand . Enough if you have Hostile Take Over in Hand"

So if you get Asteroid Belt, Shipment from SanSan, Trick of Light and Project Atlas in hand, you're fine. That's a 0.8% chance. If we go for the easier option of the Hostile Takeover, that's a 3.5% chance.

But let's assume you pull that off. You are now two turns down, with one piece of ICE on the board, and 0 or 7 with a bad pub. What's your play now? IAA another stellar ICE, presumably. But that's only an option with the Hostile Takeover.

"every deck can have a horrible draw"

Of course, and there's nothing to be done there except design your deck to mitigate it. Synergy decks often suffer badly from poor draws, as their strength comes from pieces working together. If you don't get the pieces, the decks struggle.

But whilst this is a synergy deck, your lack of economy means you need to use your synergy promotors as support and economy in the early game, leaving you entirely reliant on drawing shipments. It just seems like not only do you start slowly, you then run out of steam.

Of course, I haven't played the deck, so it might be that I'm entirely wrong. But I can't make the maths work reliably whichever way I spin it.

It's simplified, but roughly speaking: You have 13 agendas in 49 cards, which is 0.265 chance of hitting one in a draw. Therefore you have a 0.735 of not hitting one with a single access. The Maker's Eye accesses 3 cards, so the chance of you not hitting an agenda is 0.735x0.735x0.735, which is 0.397.

1-0.397 = 0.603 = 60.3%. The actual value would be a little higher due to not being able to access the same cards twice. Or lower, depending on the contents of your hand.

The percentage for Project Atlas would be 17.3%.

Satellite Grid helps, but unless you have multiple bits of ICE on the same server, which is unlikely in the early game, it is no better that advancing the ICE: It costs one click to install and one credit to rez.

Firmware Updates is a super-good card in this kind of deck, but you need to have scored it for it to help. To score it you need to have either Trick of Lighted an ICE, or already built a server.

As I said, once you get going, I have no doubt the deck is a beast. The amount of synergy cards is very cool, and the stellar ICE is really, really good, especially in decks like this. But I think your early game is in need of streamlining either in the form of a bit more economy or a bit more cheap ETR ICE (to give you more setup time)

EVERYBODY IS WRONG. This deck absolutely don't need more econ, it needs more agenda! Preferably I would add some Vulcan Coverup because it's a unexpected game ender and you know, who cares if it got stole and you get a BP? With already 3xHostile Takeover and 3xNAPD, one more BD or two isn't a big deal. Anyway, NAPD is not there to be scored, it's there to make him loose the game! The runner won't certainly use those BP credit to pay for it. Now, get lost you punks.

To clarify things: "Punks" is a reference to all the people that are making non-constructive comments instead of simply giving a like, what everybody should already be doing by now.

Speaking from personal preference, I would try to keep Lycan. Yes, it is pricey, and is foiled by Mimic and Yog.0 trivially, but Yog.0 is a rarity since Lotus Field, and it still forces two equipment checks.

Searchlight seems more cuttable, especially without tag punishment. I also doubt three Satellite Grid are needed, so dropping to two seems a pretty simple choice.

Keep the deck updated; I'd be interested to see what you come up with after testing.

A comedian? I am your greatest fan and I already given up on deck building any deck as I can't even dream to have your talent. Everybody is screaming about your genius ideas everywhere I go and how great deck builder you are. I think they even talked about it on CNN this week. I hope I don't embarrass you as a fan...

Love you! <3

Dydra's sensitivity aside... ;) I honestly think he's closer to the truth about how this deck would work out economy wise than all the other commenters. A deck only needs enough economy to do what it needs to do, you'll never have enough economy to do every single thing so it's about how well you can do what you're designed to do and this spread has a lot of click and credit saving synergies... I think he's on to something (definitely needs Yale in there though!)

I've told you elsewhere the 5/3 agendas are caviar for the runner. You don't do the same mistake. NAPD Contract is the right choice.

You know my own deck, I suppose. Mark Yale is useless. Hedge Funds are unplayable. According to my experience, Beanstalk is better than Kaguya because there isn't always a good target for Kaguya. Shipment from SanSan OTOH is very good, but I prefer to spend the influence on 2x Archived Memories. I have tested with 1 and 2 Reclamation Order also but I really prefer Archived Memories.

I haven't found Constellation Protocol to be very useful. You must have your reasons. I don't understand your choice of Searchlight; could you explain?

Do you play, with a remote? It seems necessary to score the Firmware Updates. Orion seems to be very strong on a remote. I would not play it on a central against Leela.

I chose not to play with a remote past the early game. I explain my choice here : www.boardgamegeek.com

It's a good deck. What do you do on the off chance Leela scores something and bounces your advanced ice back?